Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] F Auston Matthews signs extension with the Maple Leafs (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[FriendlyGhost92]

Sure is a nuisance having good players.

Wish we had worse players who didn't need so much money.

Do you have three of the Top 9 players in the league?

Until the cap rises, it happens all the time. Crosby did it though, so we already know it’s possible.

Yes. I suppose it's possible that the Leafs are hiding a Malkin level talent on an ELC like Pittsburgh had in 08-09.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Exactly, so the people arguing it’s a great deal for Matthews and bad for the Leafs could be wrong. No one knows.

I think by every understanding, and precedent for contracts, this is a player-friendly deal. He got the AAV reserved for longterm contracts.

But yea, there’s a scenario where this works out for the leafs. If Toronto would want to walk away in 5 years (injuries, drop off in play), then this probably ends up working out in hindsight for sure

Now if AM is still playing at a high level in 5 years? I can’t imagine this looking good in hindsight.

Not that any of it even matters, it’s pretty clear the Leafs couldn’t do anything about the contract or anything differently. Gotta imagine the leafs wanted more term.

 

[AvroArrow]

Do you have three of the Top 9 players in the league?

Hey man I think you missed my question, what $ amount would you consider fair value for Matthews on a 4 year deal ? Just trying to get an idea of how overpaid he is.

 

[Divine]

Do you have three of the Top 9 players in the league?


Yes. I suppose it's possible that the Leafs are hiding a Malkin level talent on an ELC like Pittsburgh had in 08-09.

Knies.

 

[Haatley]

If you actually believe that, I don't know what to tell ya. You think Matthews at age 34 will be worth 13.25M ? Genuine question.

The Leafs did. They wanted max term.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Just sign Willy Nilly to $10m AAV and then the Leafs core is locked in and all set, then they can focus on winning several cups.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Hey man I think you missed my question, what $ amount would you consider fair value for Matthews on a 4 year deal ? Just trying to get an idea of how overpaid he is.

$12.25M

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Knies.

Did you just say Knies is a Malkin level talent?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Also added Bertuzzi/Domi that are going to change the look of the team as well. Still a strong possibility Nylander gets moved for help on the blue line, or maybe walks as a UFA.

But point being Treliving historically likes big physical players and guys that play with an edge, he's added 3 guys to this roster that fit the description already. He clearly has an input here.

I’ll give you Bertuzzi. I think he’s an upgrade on Bunting.
I don’t think you’ve watched Domi play or maybe you’re mixing him up with his dad. He’s not physical and doesn’t play a lick of defense. There’s a reason he’s on his 5th or 6th team in 7 years.
If Reaves is playing a regular shift in the playoffs then the team has huge issues.
On D Klingberg is not physical.
Overall a very minor improvement physically.
The same minor tinkering we see every year.

 

[Uncle]

Under their current cap build? I'd say this year is the best chance they have because they were able to capitalize on Bertuzzi and Domi not finding long term partners.

But yeah, they're pretty screwed otherwise.

every year is their best chance, it is disheartening knowing theyve had many cracks at it with next to nothing to show. Page may be turned quicker than expected leaving us looking back with the what ifs. Same with blue jays, we saw it with raps

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I think everyone can agree that 13.5x4 is better than 16x8 that he reportedly wanted for max term.

 

[Divine]

Did you just say Knies is a Malkin level talent?

He doesn’t have to be. He just needs to be undervalued.

The poster can’t understand that all teams don’t have to be the same though. If Woll goes lights out and the Leafs win, he’s gonna tell the next team to find a Vezina level goalie on an ELC, etc.

He doesn’t understand things can be done differently than in the past for some reason.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Kings are gonna snap up Matthews and Draisaitl in a few years lol

If the cap gets removed, sure maybe.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Hey man I think you missed my question, what $ amount would you consider fair value for Matthews on a 4 year deal ? Just trying to get an idea of how overpaid he is.

You're asking to manipulate the dollar amount when the dollar amount is much less the problem in comparison to the term lol.

If this contract were 8 years, you'd certainly find the trolls wanting to hate for the hell of it... But a lot less overall mocking of it.

 

[AvroArrow]

$12.25M

So 1M overpaid ? Not a significant amount, you can live with paying your franchise player like that. I don't think $1M is going to cripple the Leafs.

 

[Uncle]

I’ll give you Bertuzzi. I think he’s an upgrade on Bunting.
I don’t think you’ve watched Domi play or maybe you’re mixing him up with his dad. He’s not physical and doesn’t play a lick of defense. There’s a reason he’s on his 5th or 6th team in 7 years.

his give-a-shit meter is closer to bertuzzi than current stars on TML. Will mix it up, hopefully dragging others into the mix

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yes. I suppose it's possible that the Leafs are hiding a Malkin level talent on an ELC like Pittsburgh had in 08-09.

Knies.

This needs to be framed in the HFHOF.

 

[Divine]

This needs to be framed in the HFHOF.

Print it out and post it on your wall.

 

[AvroArrow]

You're asking to manipulate the dollar amount when the dollar amount is much less the problem in comparison to the term lol.

If this contract were 8 years, you'd certainly find the trolls wanting to hate for the hell of it... But a lot less overall mocking of it.

Why can't you answer the question ? People have been going on about how the Leafs can't be contenders with this contract, the dollars are too much blabla. So what's the dollar amount ?

Or is the dollar amount fair, and term is the problem ?

Or both are a problem ?

I'm not asking to manipulate anything, people are saying the term is bad ok sure. But it is a 4 year deal, so what number would be appropriate for a 4 year deal ?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

This needs to be framed in the HFHOF.

Another classic! Lol.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think everyone can agree that 13.5x4 is better than 16x8 that he reportedly wanted for max term.

It's 13.25. And it's also better than the contract you wanted the Bruins to give him.

Good fit for the Bruins. They'll have room next year and can give Matthews 13.5x3. Good stopgap to give Sweeney time to figure out how to develop a C while still having a contending roster. Matthews can then get his big bag in Vegas, LA, wherever he wants to end up when he still is in prime.

Rumor: - Kypreos says Matthews will be 13.5M (Haggling over term)

Shane - while you're able to exceed by 7.5%, if those bonuses are ultimately earned by the player and the team was at the salary cap limit, the "overage" is counted against the next years cap. The Bruins have 4.5M of "dead cap" this year because both Bergeron and Krejci obtained their bonuses...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[DaveMatthew]

So 1M overpaid ? Not a significant amount, you can live with paying your franchise player like that. I don't think $1M is going to cripple the Leafs.

In a vacuum, no, it won't. Call it an "American playing in Canada with a ton of pressure" tax.

But that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that in the context of how the team is currently built, having Matthews at $13.25M will make it very hard to win.

I would think differently if Marner was traded, Nylander had re-signed for less than what Marner is currently making, and then Matthews had signed this deal.

Maybe that'll still happen. We'll see.

Otherwise, the salary structure on the Leafs for the next 2 seasons is still a big problem.

 

[LongWayDown37]

You're welcome student. I literally conceded that you were right several replies ago.

So what was your point in mansplaining?

 

[Gnome17]

Max term is a disadvantage at 26, not an advantage. Do you think Toews was worth 10.5M last year, or the year before?

They paid more to get him at his prime before the decline. However, they shouldn't be paying for years he sucks like Chicago had to with Toews.

Okay but how good was Toews 4 years into his contract? You cant compare 4 years to 7.5. If Toews contract had been 4 years instead of 8 he would have still gotten a bag when the contract was up, he hadnt fallen off yet.

 

[LongWayDown37]

What number would have been appropriate to you on a 4 year deal ?

Personally, I think they were already f***ed. Maybe he also realizes that, so figured, why not just get as much personal gain out of it as he can. I suppose thats logical.