Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot trade (continued)

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Mr Hockey

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I just don't know how anyone could have watched the 2nd half of the season, and especially in the playoffs, and think that Babcock got the most out of this team. That he adapted, that they lost with their best players playing top minutes, that the team wasn't predictable, that the he didn't over-play vets even when it was obvious they were ineffective..... even playing guys who were injured and having them take key face-offs!?
And then calls out everyone else and takes subtle shots at management through the media.

Isn't it time for a high-priced coach like Babcock to steer a team to some spring-time success? And no more excuses....

They are just arriving at the elite level now, he coached the team to a 3-2 game lead on Boston, the Leafs stars couldn't close the Bruins out, the Bruins veterans stepped up, the Leafs stars didnt, Babcock is not on the ice...
 

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he absolutely does not


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Paradoc

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in game 6 ...

  • 24 shifts - 17:59TOI - Bergeron
  • ~
  • 28 shifts - 20:07TOI - Matthews
  • 24 shifts - 21:06TOI - Tavares
  • 29 shifts - 21:17TOI - Mitch
  • 26 shifts - 18:45TOI - Willie
  • 25shifts - 17:25TOI - Kappy
Bergeron was injured during the playoffs. That’s why his minutes were low.

Also Matthews and Willie contributed. They were not the reason we lost that game.

Poor PK and PP led to game 6 loss.
 

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They are just arriving at the elite level now, he coached the team to a 3-2 game lead on Boston, the Leafs stars couldn't close the Bruins out, the Bruins veterans stepped up, the Leafs stars didnt, Babcock is not on the ice...

So it's all on the players....
Line combinations, usage, adapting on the fly, match-ups, TOI - none of t this matters.......

Anyway, agree to disagree.
 

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I think this team has underachieved in the playoffs under Babcock's tutelage. He has been badly outcoached in every series.
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People like to point out Nazs development like Babcock is some coaching genius but really Naz got suspended twice in the playoffs and the genius coach gave Marleau to many minutes etc
 
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If you control his minutes, put him in a system that plays to his strengths and simplifies the D game, he'll look smart.

Give him a river hockey free-style system, a partner who treats the puck like a grenade, and minimal forward support, and he'll give up ugly turnovers consistently.

Even in the right situation, in the playoffs you're hoping your opponent has someone else to focus on other than Gardiner.

It's like a goalie that's constantly making flashy glove saves. Yeah it takes talent and athleticism, but why aren't those saves boring chest blocks to start with?

So he does have bad hockey IQ ?
 

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Do people honestly think Gardiner had good hockey IQ ?

I liked Gardiner, he had weaknesses and strengths, unfortunately his biggest weakness was his decision making in key moments, that is why he was prone to costly mistakes.

Again, I liked him, when you realize what he is. I hope to see him do well and he deserves to get himself paid if a GM is willing to sign him.

Someone gets it!
 

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Bergeron was injured during the playoffs. That’s why his minutes were low.

Also Matthews and Willie contributed. They were not the reason we lost that game.

Poor PK and PP led to game 6 loss.

Gardiner wen't full brain dead, yet again.. along with Kadri in his dumb ass unprofessional attitude, cost us yet again, Now we are FREE of the LAST of Nonis' era!
 
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He is not an Nhl player anymore. He has no contract and ill be surprised if he gets an offer from the Sharks.

Its expected Thornton and Marleau will sign 1 year deals with the Sharks soon.

They needed to sort out Meier and Labanc to see how much money they could give them
 
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Mr Hockey

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So it's all on the players....
Line combinations, usage, adapting on the fly, match-ups, TOI - none of t this matters.......

Anyway, agree to disagree.

dunno what you mean, we had 2 elite #1 lines in every game all season long and a good 3rd line ... adapting to what on the fly, he was always line matching either the forwards or dmen in situations?
 

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They are just arriving at the elite level now, he coached the team to a 3-2 game lead on Boston, the Leafs stars couldn't close the Bruins out, the Bruins veterans stepped up, the Leafs stars didnt, Babcock is not on the ice...

He decides who is on the ice though and he's made some questionable decisions in that regard (to put it mildly).
 
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This is a new core building year for the Leafs.

Take all the prime positions you think a solid team base should have, the dollars you should have committed to those areas to allow you to fill out the roster on a yearly basis with cost effective players that doesn’t leave big holes at key positions and go.

Forward
Defence
Goaltending

How will you want to allocate the money?
 

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dunno what you mean, we had 2 elite #1 lines in every game all season long and a good 3rd line ... adapting to what on the fly, he was always line matching either the forwards or dmen in situations?
AJ, Kap and Hyman are not really 1st line level wingers let alone elite 1st line level wingers. Bostons 1st line has 3 elite first line players.

Not saying we dont have 2 really good lines, in fact id say the JT line was elite given that we had two elite level players...But Matthews needed Nylander to make that line an elite 1st line and he didnt get Willy because of Kadri.

Either way Babcock did make a lot of mistakes in usage...Matthews should have played more in game 7 and Marleau should not have been touching the ice.

Also at the end of the day the real reason we lost is special teams which is mostly on our assistants who are now gone.
 

Mr Hockey

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Bergeron was injured during the playoffs. That’s why his minutes were low.

Also Matthews and Willie contributed. They were not the reason we lost that game.

Poor PK and PP led to game 6 loss.

ok bud, i will replace Bergeron with Pasternak numbers in game 6
  • 22 shifts - 17:16 TOI - Pasternak
  • ~
  • 28 shifts - 20:07 TOI - Matthews
  • 24 shifts - 21:06 TOI - Tavares
  • 29 shifts - 21:17 TOI - Mitch
  • 26 shifts - 18:45 TOI - Willie
  • 25 shifts - 17:25 TOI - Kappy
we lost 5vs5 ...
 
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Yeah finally we have someone that will give our puck moving d core room to work their stuff. and we won't have to worry about Wilson having his way with Freddy. It changes things on many levels. But more than that it helps keep fast small attackers from taking our net. Now with ceci and harpur guys will take a good look to see who is on the ice before having their way with us.

Is Ceci aggressive? He does have good size which is great.... once upon a time Sens fans were saying Ceci was/could be better than Rielly. Short lived but it was discussed.
 

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He made a couple of costly mistakes that ppl will never forget - the rest doesn't matter :help:

"Couple" is putting it lightly. He'd make a "couple of costly mistakes" in more (single) games than any defenseman making his kind of money should (or even any kind of legit NHLer should).

It was the right move to let him go. He was holding the Leafs back.
 

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Love this trade for the Leafs. Kadri was a luxury to have at 3C, but playing in that role clearly limited the impact that he was able to have for the Leafs anyways. Kerfoot is a downgrade, but not as much of one as it might appear. First of all, he can totally fulfill the 3C role perfectly (maybe not as well as Kadri, but he's more than adequate), and he's actually an improvement on Kadri in terms of defensive ability. Kadri is a much better goalscorer obviously, but Kerfoot brings more of a playmaking style, which might actually be helpful. Considering that his wingers are likely to be some combination of Kapanen, Moore, Johnsson, Mikheyev, etc, who are mostly shoot first players, and not extreme playmaker, this could be helpful in increasing offensive output. Kadri really struggled to score last season because we didn't really have any depth playmakers for him to play with, and he wasn't the man to set up Marleau, Brown, and Kapanen. To me, Kerfoot, as a better playmaker/defensive player, is more well suited for the role of our 3C.

Adding Barrie is basically like replacing Jake Gardiner, except now he's right handed. A little less impactful defensively, but overall, likely just as good, if not better, because of his transitional ability and offensive skills. The fact that we only have to pay 50% of his salary, and we only gave up Rosén, a 3rd, and slightly downgraded our 3C is great.

Dubas dealt from a position of strength to patch up a gaping weakness, and in the process was actually able to replace the asset he gave up. I like this trade a lot, as sad as it is to see Kadri go.
 
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Is Ceci aggressive? He does have good size which is great.... once upon a time Sens fans were saying Ceci was/could be better than Rielly. Short lived but it was discussed.
Anyone who said that was dreaming. Ceci needs to be fired up but when he is look out. He has incredible natural power.

Harpur also needs to be fired up. When he steps up and hits people hard it he is much more effective.

But both guys can eat pucks in our end and neither guy can be easily moved off puck. So we will be a much harder team to cycle on. and we will be able to clear the net for once too.
 
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ok bud, i will replace Bergeron with Pasternak numbers in game 6
  • 22 shifts - 17:16 TOI - Pasternak
  • ~
  • 28 shifts - 20:07 TOI - Matthews
  • 24 shifts - 21:06 TOI - Tavares
  • 29 shifts - 21:17 TOI - Mitch
  • 26 shifts - 18:45 TOI - Willie
  • 25 shifts - 17:25 TOI - Kappy
we lost 5vs5 ...
We were the one chasing the game. It makes sense that our key players should play a lot more than usual.

When you are chasing the game usually your opponents would play their defensive players more and vice versa for our team.
 

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ok bud, i will replace Bergeron with Pasternak numbers in game 6
  • 22 shifts - 17:16 TOI - Pasternak
  • ~
  • 28 shifts - 20:07 TOI - Matthews
  • 24 shifts - 21:06 TOI - Tavares
  • 29 shifts - 21:17 TOI - Mitch
  • 26 shifts - 18:45 TOI - Willie
  • 25 shifts - 17:25 TOI - Kappy
we lost 5vs5 ...

Lol and that looks fine to you?
 
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