Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot trade (continued)

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Mr Hockey

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Again, you don't have to defend everything babcock does, but fill your boots...... I for one don't give a crap what he's done with other teams or how many regular season points we get.
you do know this team was built up 4 years ago after being gutted right, it takes a bit of time to climb to the top
 
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rumman

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Why? They played more than Matthews. It was insanely stupid. It's a 100% valid criticism. Maybe try have a discussion about it rather then blindly defend Babcock's decisions at all costs. Don't be such a homer. You can still agree it was a bad deployment of the lineup and still believe Babcock is a top-3 coach in the league.
I know you hate Babcock and are a big fan of Dubas, can you explain the logic of keeping Babcock as coach?
 

JT AM da real deal

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Great trades Dubie. We picked up a couple solid defender types and a solid offensive dman. Now we have improved our defense over last year. And forwards will be great again. This is the 1st year where we have a legit chance at the Cup.
 

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I agree, he should and will be gone if they fail again this year. But at that point they may have to realize these players might not be able to get it done either.
The roster has turned over once under Babcock's watch. It's ALL on him now.
 
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Babcock has instilled a culture and work ethic that is demanding and has probably accelerated the rebuild by a few years. You have to take the good with the bad. The man has a plan, it's not always going to jibe with what some of us one here believe. The next step is to get the new players to buy into the game plan. Hopefully it comes together, Once Marner is signed I would argue we have a better, more balanced team than at the end of the season.

Out:-------------------In ----------------Result
Lefty Gardiner.-----Righty Barrie ----Filled major area of need
3rd C Kadri----------Kerfoot - ---------- lost centre depth, PP, shot and intensity but Tavares and Matthews will play more as a result
Marleau--------------Spezza -----------flipped speedy vet on last legs for slowing ailing vet who can still pass and play PP
Hainsey--------------Ceci----------------Removed stable but diminishing vet for a younger maligned top 4 with upside -2nd chance
Brown----------------Agostino----------removed PKer, heart and soul 4th liner for depth player who won't play too much

Upside is we should see the top two lines TOI increase and top 2 defense play more
Need to fix PK. - I would put Marner and Kapanen at forward with Muzzin and Ceci to start, I think Shore is pretty good on the PK too.
Hope Ceci responds to the change of scenery.
Lots of depth players signed that can play for injury fill in.
 
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Rielly and Barrie are virtually the same player, which one of them stays back and protects the house while the other one wheels?

Whichever one of them is on the weak side?

You talk about them like they've never defended a 2-on-1 in their lives, and run around the defensive end like Atom AA players.
 
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Dreger this morning was saying that he doesn't know where the Leafs play him, and thinks Babcock won't like him because he's a pure offensive guy, almost like Gardiner.

Babcock literally loved Gardiner lmao and always spoke highly of him.

Dreger is an idiot man.
A major move like this wouldn't be completed without input from the coach.
 

Drew311

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Not sure how well liked Kadri was in the room. A plug like Marleau gets shipped out and a bunch of Leafs head to twitter to proclaim their love for him. The longest serving Leaf in Kadri gets traded and crickets.
 
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Colorado Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic joked Tuesday that the key to having newly acquired centre Nazem Kadri avoid suspension in the postseason could be matchups.

"Don't play Boston. If we play Boston, we're in good shape, so that's good," Sakic told Altitude 92.5FM, implying such a meeting would take place in the Stanley Cup Final. "No, listen, the way he is, his makeup... to try to get somebody to pull back is a lot easier [than it is] to try and get something out of a player. So it's in him. He's a real competitive guy. Last year, obviously, he crossed a line in that one game but when you look at what happened leading up to that you could probably see what happened and why that may have taken place.

"For us, he's a great hockey player. He's signed for three years and for what we're looking to do moving forward here in the next couple years. We think we've got a great fit for him."

https://www.tsn.ca/sakic-jokes-don-t-play-boston-to-keep-kadri-in-line-1.1331890
 

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Not sure how well liked Kadri was in the room. A plug like Marleau gets shipped out and a bunch of Leafs head to twitter to proclaim their love for him. The longest serving Leaf in Kadri gets traded and crickets.

Dubas said that there were a bunch of weddings this weekend, so most of the guys are probably with Kadri at the moment. Marleau was probably already back in California and obviously there is a greater respect for a veteran
 

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Colorado Avalanche general manager Joe Sakic joked Tuesday that the key to having newly acquired centre Nazem Kadri avoid suspension in the postseason could be matchups.

"Don't play Boston. If we play Boston, we're in good shape, so that's good," Sakic told Altitude 92.5FM, implying such a meeting would take place in the Stanley Cup Final. "No, listen, the way he is, his makeup... to try to get somebody to pull back is a lot easier [than it is] to try and get something out of a player. So it's in him. He's a real competitive guy. Last year, obviously, he crossed a line in that one game but when you look at what happened leading up to that you could probably see what happened and why that may have taken place.

"For us, he's a great hockey player. He's signed for three years and for what we're looking to do moving forward here in the next couple years. We think we've got a great fit for him."

https://www.tsn.ca/sakic-jokes-don-t-play-boston-to-keep-kadri-in-line-1.1331890
Interesting to hear a GM talk about how Kadri was obviously targeted and cheap shotted all game before the suspension. The Debrusk knee on knee being particularly bad
 

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Babs may try Rielly and Barrie together but I doubt it works. More likely a standard mix of defender and offensive puck mover on each pair.

Rielly - Ceci/Dermott
Muzzy - Barrie
Harpur - Dermott/Ceci

then PK Muzzy and Ceci likely play together.

PP Barrie and Rielly will mix it up somehow.
 
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Sperss1997

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Barrie is better then Gardiner. I am so happy with this trade!!!
Barrie 16 to 19.PNG
Gardiner 16 to 19.PNG
 

thewave

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Not sure how well liked Kadri was in the room. A plug like Marleau gets shipped out and a bunch of Leafs head to twitter to proclaim their love for him. The longest serving Leaf in Kadri gets traded and crickets.

I am sure he was well liked. I think many of the boys did not like his second suspension in as many years. They probably hold him part responsible for not finishing off Boston in G6 or G7. He likely would have made the difference. In short, the refs created a scenario where a reactionary player reacted to the attempt to injure another player after having attempts made on himself over the course of the game.

Ultimately, he retaliated in such a way that hurt the team rather than fighting with his fists.
 

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Like the acquisitions, seems that Dubas is focused on speed and transition game. We also added significant toughness in Harpur, without sacrificing a lot of speed. Harpur by all accounts is a great skater for a big man and he can play right defense.

Hope harpur pans out, would be exceptional to have a 6'7 monster on defence, especially with the likes of Wilson roaming around. Been a while since we had a good crease clearer.
 
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Sperss1997

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No matter how much you say it or show it, they hate one of our best players. I hope they get rid of Ceci(sign and trade) and find the money to sign Jake for the year.

He made a couple of costly mistakes that ppl will never forget - the rest doesn't matter :help:
 
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