Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot trade (continued)

[MyBudJT]

That really doesn't seem likely. Babcock hates changing the defensive pairs

Do you know who our coach is?

It took until halfway through period 3 of Game 7 for any sort of change

I think you guys are exaggerating here, but I can't find any numbers since Dobber Frozen Pool is down.

Babcock definately has a history of changing/tweaking coaching strategies... The way we're coached now is very different than the way we were coached in Year 1.

 

[Superstar]

Look at this garbage.

That's a MMA style left hook to JT's jaw...dirty...even dirtier that it was a blindside punch while JT was tied up with Bergeron...how karma has it that Chara got his jaw broken in the finals against St. Louis, and the Blues went on to win the Cup.

 

[zeke]

I disagree. Muzzin - Ceci will play the same role Muzzin-Zaitsev did for us. Ceci played that role in Ottawa, and when you look at context, got better results than Zaitsev did, given the team around him.

Rielly - Barrie will be together, and get 55-60% SZR. Like both regularly did previously.

I highly doubt the Leafs acquired Tyson Barrie to play him in the defensive zone as much as Jake Muzzin does, which Barrie has never done, instead of Ceci, who has done it most of his career.

I've been thinking this thru and I agree.

I'd be surprised if babs went away with his matchup pairings, which would let him put Mo and Ty together like he never could with Jake.

Question is will Ceci kill us in that role.

 

[Cor]

I've been thinking this thru and I agree.

I'd be surprised if babs went away with his matchup pairings, which would let him put Mo and Ty together like he never could with Jake.

Question is will Ceci kill us in that role.

Muzzin made Zaitsev look competent in that role, and I imagine the bet is that he can do the same with Ceci.

Though, I do wonder if Dermott will move into that spot when he’s healthy, and Ceci will play on the third pairing with like, Marincin.

Though I guess that depends on how Ceci does

 

[Mr Hockey]

Muzzin made Zaitsev look competent in that role, and I imagine the bet is that he can do the same with Ceci.

Though, I do wonder if Dermott will move into that spot when he’s healthy, and Ceci will play on the third pairing with like, Marincin.

Though I guess that depends on how Ceci does

quick question...
can you name a player that played well with Gardiner?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I disagree. Muzzin - Ceci will play the same role Muzzin-Zaitsev did for us. Ceci played that role in Ottawa, and when you look at context, got better results than Zaitsev did, given the team around him.

Rielly - Barrie will be together, and get 55-60% SZR. Like both regularly did previously.

I highly doubt the Leafs acquired Tyson Barrie to play him in the defensive zone as much as Jake Muzzin does, which Barrie has never done, instead of Ceci, who has done it most of his career.

This all day. I can't like this post enough.

I don't understand why people think we got Barrie to stick him in defensive match-ups with Muzzin. We finally got a partner for Rielly, and people don't even appreciate it.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Might be the best trade or the worst trade

 

[Leafs87]

Really curious to see what Kerfoot can do. I think he can be a decent replacement for kadri minus the physical play. Barrie is likely a one year rental if he stays pat on his 8 mil per.

 

[A1LeafNation]

This all day. I can't like this post enough.

I don't understand why people think we got Barrie to stick him in defensive match-ups with Muzzin. We finally got a partner for Rielly, and people don't even appreciate it.

Or Muzzin Barrie could be the upgraded version of Gardiner Zaitsev.

It will be mixed and matched.


Rielly Barrie
Muzzin Ceci

Or

Muzzin Barrie
Rielly Ceci

 

[Dekes For Days]

Or Muzzin Barrie could be the upgraded version of Gardiner Zaitsev.

I guess you could kind of argue that Barrie is similar to a vastly upgraded Gardiner, but who is Muzzin stylistically? He's certainly not comparable to Zaitsev.

Also, why are we trying to recreate Gardiner-Zaitsev that was never very good for us?

Muzzin-Zaitsev was a good pairing that we relied on heavily in the playoffs in a shutdown role. Muzzin-Ceci is the most similar to that, and it opens up the top pairing to absolutely dominate like we haven't seen in over a decade.

 

[PromisedLand]

Look at this garbage.

What a "veteran" play by Chara there; of course thats the way refs called it.

Leafs getting screwed on the ice

Leafs fans getting screwed off the ice

 

[PromisedLand]

The great thing is, we can mix up the pairings throughout the game depending on the scenerio.

We could very well see something like:

60%
Rielly-Ceci
Muzzin-Barrie

40%
Rielly-Barrie
Muzzin-Ceci

I assume when Leafs are trailing in the game we are likely to see Rielly-Barrie pairing late in the game

if Leafs are leading chances are its gonig to be Muzzin-Barrie and Rielly-Ceci

 

[ULF_55]

I've been thinking this thru and I agree.

I'd be surprised if babs went away with his matchup pairings, which would let him put Mo and Ty together like he never could with Jake.

Question is will Ceci kill us in that role.

Another question is, did Ceci play with someone who is as good as Rielly in Ottawa?

Fair disclosure, I'm not as high on Rielly as most here, but I'd still guess the answer is no. My osmosis knowledge of Chabot is he is an offensive first and mostly d-man.

 

[zeke]

Another question is, did Ceci play with someone who is as good as Rielly in Ottawa?

Fair disclosure, I'm not as high on Rielly as most here, but I'd still guess the answer is no. My osmosis knowledge of Chabot is he is an offensive first and mostly d-man.

No, he did not. Not even as good as a muzzin, even.

 

[ULF_55]

No, he did not. Not even as good as a muzzin, even.

That's my thought, that unlike Ottawa, he won't have to carry his pairing.

And if you believe the hype, Rielly can carry a lessor partner.

 

[Boutette]

Really curious to see what Kerfoot can do. I think he can be a decent replacement for kadri minus the physical play. Barrie is likely a one year rental if he stays pat on his 8 mil per.

Kerfoot did seem to do best against lesser opposition and with more physical players available to handle that side of the game, so might work out best with someone like Agostino on his wing instead of softer alternatives and not promoted up and expected to do that job himself.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Really curious to see what Kerfoot can do. I think he can be a decent replacement for kadri minus the physical play. Barrie is likely a one year rental if he stays pat on his 8 mil per.

I see Dubas offering 4x7.5 but will probably be willing to go up to 8 mill.

Barrie is not getting a long term deal from us, and he won't be getting one from any team unless he wants to go to a mismanaged team and likely get bought out in a couple of years. I also doubt he gets 10% from any team either. Teams have become wary of giving out big deals to guys like him in UFA.

Barrie's comparable is Kevin Shattenkirk. 4 or 5 years years at around 9% cap (which will likely be somewhere around 7.5 mill next year). Barrie has a little bit more production, although on much more potent offensive teams, but is one of the few higher end defensemen who can make a claim of being worse defensively than Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk, at the time, suckered teams into thinking he could handle some quality defensive minutes. Barrie is not going to sucker any teams into thinking that.

 

[zeke]

I see Dubas offering 4x7.5 but will probably be willing to go up to 8 mill.

Barrie is not getting a long term deal from us, and he won't be getting one from any team unless he wants to go to a mismanaged team and likely get bought out in a couple of years. I also doubt he gets 10% from any team either. Teams have become wary of giving out big deals to guys like him in UFA.

Barrie's comparable is Kevin Shattenkirk. 4 or 5 years years at around 9% cap (which will likely be somewhere around 7.5 mill next year). Barrie has a little bit more production, although on much more potent offensive teams, but is one of the few higher end defensemen who can make a claim of being worse defensively than Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk, at the time, suckered teams into thinking he could handle some quality defensive minutes. Barrie is not going to sucker any teams into thinking that.

Shattenkirk was a PP specialist sheltered on a bottom pair behind pietro and parayko at even strength.

Barrie is an entirely different level of player.

 

[PromisedLand]

Isn’t Barrie from a wealthy family? How much money do you guys think he would ask anyway

 

[Gary Nylund]

Isn’t Barrie from a wealthy family? How much money do you guys think he would ask anyway

I doubt that matters at all. Players don't hold out to get 60M instead of 55M or whatever because they really need every penny they can get.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Shattenkirk was a PP specialist sheltered on a bottom pair behind pietro and parayko at even strength.

Barrie is an entirely different level of player.

Barrie would have been utilized the exact same way in St. Louis. Both are PP specialists who need to be sheltered, Barrie was just on a team that had far less players capable of sheltering him. They should be valued similarly, and if Barrie thinks otherwise, he can walk as far as I'm concerned. Pure offensive defensemen, even great ones, should be near the bottom of the list of priorities in terms of building a Cup Contender... Especially when you have a guy like Rielly already on the team who will be taking the 1PP minutes away from that offensive defenseman.

 

[BlueForever75]

Kerfoot on a line with Moore and Kapanen should be suffice. Both wingers are not afraid to get their noses dirty and can throw the body around. Augustino also fits that mold.

As for Barrie, the best pairing for him to be on is with Muzzin. Muzzin can play a physical role on the pairing and allow Barrie to do his thing. Pairing him with Reilly would be a mistake. Either of them would be afraid to do their thing if on same pairing, would be counter productive and could prove to be a total disaster defensively.

Only way Barrie and Reilly are on the ice at the same time is if they are down late, PP or if Muzzin or Ceci is in the box 4on4. Other then that pairings should be Reilly-Ceci, Muzzin-Barrie, Gardiner-Dermott.

Gardiner you say??? He will resign on a cheap one year prove it deal with the Leafs cause no one in the rest of the NHL is willing to sign him long-term with his back issues yet. That's my call, you heard it hear. Bank on it.

 

[zeke]

Barrie would have been utilized the exact same way in St. Louis. Both are PP specialists who need to be sheltered, Barrie was just on a team that had far less players capable of sheltering him. They should be valued similarly, and if Barrie thinks otherwise, he can walk as far as I'm concerned. Pure offensive defensemen, even great ones, should be near the bottom of the list of priorities in terms of building a Cup Contender... Especially when you have a guy like Rielly already on the team who will be taking the 1PP minutes away from that offensive defenseman.

I like that you have decided to randomly pick a negative comp for Barrie and stick with it, but there is literally zero basis for your comparison. Which is why you have had to backfill your comps with lies - like colorado being better offensively than st.louis was, etc.

Trust me, as one of the only voices on HF screaming that Shattenkirk was the most overrated dman in the league back then, and laughing at leafs fans who actually wanted to give him $7+m because they thought he would be our #1 dman, that this comparison actually makes no sense whatsoever.

The two players aren't similar in style, nor in effectiveness.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Isn’t Barrie from a wealthy family? How much money do you guys think he would ask anyway

Mike Comrie was the heir to a billion dollar company and held out.

I like you have thought the same way, but the hope that players will forgo money because they already have enough is pretty much dead save for the rare exception (ie. Tom Brady). And the fact these guys have an infinite time period to make as much money as they can, I don't see that ever changing to the way things used to be (loyalty, taking less money to stay with a team, etc.).

 

[Jack Bauer]

Mike Comrie was the heir to a billion dollar company and held out.

I like you have thought the same way, but the hope that players will forgo money because they already have enough is pretty much dead save for the rare exception (ie. Tom Brady). And the fact these guys have an infinite time period to make as much money as they can, I don't see that ever changing to the way things used to be (loyalty, taking less money to stay with a team, etc.).

I'd actually expect someone from a wealthy family to have a higher chance of holding out since they can more easily afford to hold out in order to maximize their salary.