Confirmed with Link: [TOR/COL] Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen for Tyson Barrie (50% retain), Alex Kerfoot trade (continued)

[Maple Leaf]

TSN Craig Button described Barrie as the right hand version of Jake Gardiner, only slightly better offensively but weaker defensively.

Craig Button is wrong

 

[Pookie]

I dont have a source handy but I believe somebody like Mirtle or Siegel in Twitter had mentioned the Canes were on his "no" list

If they weren’t the year before... I imagine he added them at his earliest opportunity based on his Calgary comments.

I feel that Dubas did very well here. I like a number of his off season moves.

Contract wise.... jury is out

 

[Mess]

Craig Button is wrong

Mike Johnson on TSN That's hockey had a similar take as well.

Link to video: https://www.tsn.ca/video/what-team-would-best-fit-jake-gardiner~1721544

 

[LeafChief]

Mike Johnson on TSN That's hockey had a similar take as well.

Link to video: https://www.tsn.ca/video/what-team-would-best-fit-jake-gardiner~1721544

Craig Button said Kasperi Kapanen didn't have the drive or compete to be an NHL player.

He touted this for about a year on Overdrive.

 

[The Shadow]

Craig Button also said Nylander will be traded and that’s not looking likely. You don’t give up young star forwards these days unless the return is substantial

 

[frog]

TSN Craig Button described Barrie as the right hand version of Jake Gardiner, only slightly better offensively but weaker defensively.

I dont agree with that at all, I watch colorado for years and not nearly as dumb as gardner. He's a smarter defensemen.

 

[Mess]

I dont agree with that at all, I watch colorado for years and not nearly as dumb as gardner. He's a smarter defensemen.

When Barrie is on the ice its like having and extra forward out there, however his D partner becomes a sitting duck defensively often asked to be the lone man back on odd man rushes by the opposition.

Andersen will be facing more high danger shots as a result.

Barrie is neither big nor physical so he can be overpowered in his own zone by teams that play a big heavy game and forecheck.

Offensively the kid shines no question there, and when the puck is on his stick his breakout plays or zone exits often joining or leading the attack is something of beauty.. If however the puck is turned over then being out of position defensively and giving the opposition high quality scoring chances in transition is something that you don't want to see.

 

[RoadWarrior]

TSN Craig Button described Barrie as the right hand version of Jake Gardiner, only slightly better offensively but weaker defensively.

His numbers say he's closer to Rielly than Gardiner. Jake isn't getting $8M AAV anytime soon. In fact he isn't getting a contract offer longer than 2 years.

 

[Nithoniniel]

His numbers say he's closer to Rielly than Gardiner. Jake isn't getting $8M AAV anytime soon. In fact he isn't getting a contract offer longer than 2 years.

Barrie is similar to Rielly both offensively and defensively. A worse version, but similar. And counting numbers like points is where he looks the best, and it's what drives contracts, so no wonder he's looking at a big contract.

 

[Ratboy]

Cherry loves Barrie. He raves about him on CC. Not sure if that's good or bad.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

When Barrie is on the ice its like having and extra forward out there, however his D partner becomes a sitting duck defensively often asked to be the lone man back on odd man rushes by the opposition.

Andersen will be facing more high danger shots as a result.

Barrie is neither big nor physical so he can be overpowered in his own zone by teams that play a big heavy game and forecheck.

Offensively the kid shines no question there, and when the puck is on his stick his breakout plays or zone exits often joining or leading the attack is something of beauty.. If however the puck is turned over then being out of position defensively and giving the opposition high quality scoring chances in transition is something that you don't want to see.

Ok, but you can make that argument about any player that joins the rush, its a bit of a generalization. Same thing could be said about Gardiner and rielly it they join the rush or any dman in the league if they join the rush and things go bad it could lead to a high danger scoring chances against.

So what if Barrie doesnt join the rush then what?

 

[DopeyFish]

Craig Button is wrong

Actually he was 100% correct

Broken clock etc

 

[frog]

When Barrie is on the ice its like having and extra forward out there, however his D partner becomes a sitting duck defensively often asked to be the lone man back on odd man rushes by the opposition.

Andersen will be facing more high danger shots as a result.

Barrie is neither big nor physical so he can be overpowered in his own zone by teams that play a big heavy game and forecheck.

Offensively the kid shines no question there, and when the puck is on his stick his breakout plays or zone exits often joining or leading the attack is something of beauty.. If however the puck is turned over then being out of position defensively and giving the opposition high quality scoring chances in transition is something that you don't want to see.

Now that is a very good explanation, ok yeah then I will agree. He is pushing the play alot offensively so in that sense is out of position defensively more. As far as defensive abilities and hockey IQ i think he is better than gardner, but yes he is more aggressive offensively so he needs a solid defensive defensmen with him more than say gardner who isnt as offensive.

His ability to effortlessly join the rush as almost an extra forward is an asset more alot more than a liability, he also is fast and can recover faster when out of position imo

 

[smitty10]

When Barrie is on the ice its like having and extra forward out there, however his D partner becomes a sitting duck defensively often asked to be the lone man back on odd man rushes by the opposition.

Andersen will be facing more high danger shots as a result.

Barrie is neither big nor physical so he can be overpowered in his own zone by teams that play a big heavy game and forecheck.

Offensively the kid shines no question there, and when the puck is on his stick his breakout plays or zone exits often joining or leading the attack is something of beauty.. If however the puck is turned over then being out of position defensively and giving the opposition high quality scoring chances in transition is something that you don't want to see.

Barrie will be perfectly pairing with Muzzin. Muzzin can use his shot and feed off of Barrie offensively, while also covering for him defensively.

Sounds like a great pairing.

 

[Mess]

Barrie will be perfectly pairing with Muzzin. Muzzin can use his shot and feed off of Barrie offensively, while also covering for him defensively.

Sounds like a great pairing.

This is the pairing the Leafs hope work out but it will be their 2nd pairing behind Rielly top pairing.

Unlike last year however the dynamics will change in that Babcock trusted Muzzin -- Zaitsev in a defensive shutdown pairing often used against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Muzzin -- Barrie pairing is more offensively dynamic with Barrie joining the attack regularly, but much more vulnerable out against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Reilly -- Ceci pairing also will never be confused either with a shutdown duo, so defensively Leafs will be more vulnerable regardless of which top 4 pairing is out there.

When Bergeron or Stamkos or Crosby or OV lines etc are on the ice who would Leafs match up against them defensively?

 

[Foppberg]

Mike Johnson on TSN That's hockey had a similar take as well.

Link to video: https://www.tsn.ca/video/what-team-would-best-fit-jake-gardiner~1721544

Both are morons. Barrie is a substantial upgrade for you guys.

 

[smitty10]

This is the pairing the Leafs hope work out but it will be their 2nd pairing behind Rielly top pairing.

Unlike last year however the dynamics will change in that Babcock trusted Muzzin -- Zaitsev in a defensive shutdown pairing often used against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Muzzin -- Barrie pairing is more offensively dynamic with Barrie joining the attack regularly, but much more vulnerable out against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Reilly -- Ceci pairing also will never be confused either with a shutdown duo, so defensively Leafs will be more vulnerable regardless of which top 4 pairing is out there.

That's a fair assessment. It is a far more balanced top 4 than we saw last year though.

With Zaitsev replaced by Barrie on the 2nd pairing, we'll see less turnovers/icings and way more successful zone exits than we did previously. This should take a lot of pressure off of the D as, theoretically, our puck possession numbers should go up. Barrie on the second pairing also adds an offensive threat to the dynamic that we didn't see last year.

I'm not sure what Ceci is going to be. The fact that Dubas paid him $4.5m tells me that the Leafs see him as a guy who will play in our top 4.

IMO, it makes most sense for a Rielly-Ceci pairing and a Muzzin-Barrie pairing. Gives us a very well balanced top 4 that can eat up a ton of minutes, put up points and drive possession.

 

[IPS]

Both are morons. Barrie is a substantial upgrade for you guys.

Thank you.

Much like Kadri is a vast upgrade to your 2nd line C spot.

 

[Martin Skoula]

This is the pairing the Leafs hope work out but it will be their 2nd pairing behind Rielly top pairing.

Unlike last year however the dynamics will change in that Babcock trusted Muzzin -- Zaitsev in a defensive shutdown pairing often used against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Muzzin -- Barrie pairing is more offensively dynamic with Barrie joining the attack regularly, but much more vulnerable out against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Reilly -- Ceci pairing also will never be confused either with a shutdown duo, so defensively Leafs will be more vulnerable regardless of which top 4 pairing is out there.

When Bergeron or Stamkos or Crosby or OV lines etc are on the ice who would Leafs match up against them defensively?

Best way to shut OV or Crosby down into force them to play in their own end all game.

 

[Mess]

That's a fair assessment. It is a far more balanced top 4 than we saw last year though.

With Zaitsev replaced by Barrie on the 2nd pairing, we'll see less turnovers/icings and way more successful zone exits than we did previously. This should take a lot of pressure off of the D as, theoretically, our puck possession numbers should go up. Barrie on the second pairing also adds an offensive threat to the dynamic that we didn't see last year.

I'm not sure what Ceci is going to be. The fact that Dubas paid him $4.5m tells me that the Leafs see him as a guy who will play in our top 4.

IMO, it makes most sense for a Rielly-Ceci pairing and a Muzzin-Barrie pairing. Gives us a very well balanced top 4 that can eat up a ton of minutes, put up points and drive possession.

Ron Hainsey when paired with Rielly as the defensive awareness on the top pairing was a +30 last year tied for #6OA in the NHL forwards and Dmen.

Ceci was a -22 (8th worst) last year and -27 (6th worst) the year prior when Ottawa tried to use him in a defensive role opposite an offensive Dman, numbers that put him near the bottom in +/-.

With Rielly also liking to join the rush, having Ceci out there covering is going to give lots of fans sleepless nights.

With Barrie playing the same role on the other pairing as MO Riells its going to leave Muzzin holding the fort alone.

The trade for Barrie has turned the Leafs into a better offensive but weaker defensive team and we're going to see lots of 6-5 and 5-4 games where Leafs will need to outscore all their defensive breakdowns and mistakes which will be even prevalent than last season. IMO

 

[IPS]

This is the pairing the Leafs hope work out but it will be their 2nd pairing behind Rielly top pairing.

Unlike last year however the dynamics will change in that Babcock trusted Muzzin -- Zaitsev in a defensive shutdown pairing often used against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Muzzin -- Barrie pairing is more offensively dynamic with Barrie joining the attack regularly, but much more vulnerable out against the oppositions best offensive players.

A Reilly -- Ceci pairing also will never be confused either with a shutdown duo, so defensively Leafs will be more vulnerable regardless of which top 4 pairing is out there.

When Bergeron or Stamkos or Crosby or OV lines etc are on the ice who would Leafs match up against them defensively?

Ceci did remarkably well in a shutdown role for the Senators in the 2017 playoffs. In fact he did a better job than Ekholm of the Predators the very next round @biotk did an excellent job explaining this.

Barrie could very easily be an upgrade defensively over Zaitsev.

Can you calm down with the blatant hysteria already? God does it get annoying.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The trade for Barrie has turned the Leafs into a better offensive but weaker defensive team and we're going to see lots of 6-5 and 5-4 games where Leafs will need to outscore all their defensive breakdowns and mistakes which will be even prevalent than last season. IMO

Which we can do until Rask and Boston. In the playoffs.

 

[madmike77]

Craig Button is wrong

He’s not far off. Barrie is by no means a top pairing talent defensively. I don’t think he even played on Colorado’s top pairing and the Avalanche aren’t a defensive powerhouse.

Offensively he’s great though.

 

[FreeBird]

Ron Hainsey when paired with Rielly as the defensive awareness on the top pairing was a +30 last year tied for #6OA in the NHL forwards and Dmen.

Ceci was a -22 (8th worst) last year and -27 (6th worst) the year prior when Ottawa tried to use him in a defensive role opposite an offensive Dman, numbers that put him near the bottom in +/-.

With Rielly also liking to join the rush, having Ceci out there covering is going to give lots of fans sleepless nights.

With Barrie playing the same role on the other pairing as MO Riells its going to leave Muzzin holding the fort alone.

The trade for Barrie has turned the Leafs into a better offensive but weaker defensive team and we're going to see lots of 6-5 and 5-4 games where Leafs will need to outscore all their defensive breakdowns and mistakes which will be even prevalent than last season. IMO

Do you know what was coming back from Calgary before Kadri Nixed the Trade

 

[Mess]

Do you know what was coming back from Calgary before Kadri Nixed the Trade

TJ Brodie was the Dman heading to Toronto.

He was was a +29 +/- 6th best among Dmen in 2018-19.