Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CHI] G Petr Mrazek & 25th Overall Pick to CHI for 38th Overall Pick

[Stephen]

This is pure speculation on my part, but it appeared to me to be Danila Yurov who went at 24. It was not until after Yurov had been selected that the camera shifted to Dubas who was on his phone and did not look happy. My guess is that the Leafs would have taken Yurov rather than trade the pick if he had still been available.

I think you’re right. Yurov if available and then fall back to take Firkus who would have been top 15. Oops.

 

[rocketman588]

No, he wasn't. We were the highest payroll team in the league. He was left with departing players who needed to be replaced.

He was literally left with enough cap space to get an 11 million player. He could have also used that money to replenish depth or in any way he would have wanted

Unlike now when we need to burn first rounders to clear space to get a useable goalie

Dubas was given No cap space is pretty high on your list of dumb dubas excuses which is a tough task

Since Dekes is incapable of answering a simple question, does anyone else wanna take a shot at it?

Without casting judgement whether it was right or wrong.........Who made the decision to sign an elite player to an $11M contract knowing they had 3 stars coming off ELCs, one year left on a bad $6M contract , and another bad contract in Zaitsev?

And was he or was he not left enough cap space to do this

Dude can't even keep track of the stuff he tries to say to bail out his boy

 

[Dekes For Days]

Since Dekes is incapable of answering a simple question

I answered the question. You're the one dodging the answer.

He was literally left with enough cap space to get an 11 million player.

No, he wasn't. He was left with departing players that were replaced by Tavares.

He could have also used that money to replenish depth

That doesn't change the Marleau situation. It just makes us a worse team.

 

[rocketman588]

I answered the question. You're the one dodging the answer.

No, he wasn't. He was left with departing players that were replaced by Tavares.

That doesn't change the Marleau situation. It just makes us a worse team.

This is the definition of being left with cap space.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This is the definition of being left with cap space.

If Dubas had been fired after this most recent season, would you have said that he left the next GM with piles of cap space?

 

[rocketman588]

If Dubas had been fired after this most recent season, would you have said that he left the next GM with piles of cap space?

We had 7 million dollars so no. That's an absolute idiotic thing to say considering it isn't even enough to sign a second line LW coming off an elc if dubas is negotiating

By your logic we traded back in the draft for 0 reason as we have to replace mrazek then so the 3.8 of cap space doesn't matter.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We had 7 million dollars so no.

7+ million is quite a bit of cap space. And we currently have over 10m. If you're suggesting that Lou left Dubas with a lot of cap space, then you'd simultaneously have to admit that Dubas would be leaving the next GM with a lot of cap space.

Remember, you've established that it doesn't matter what our cap expenditure was in the previous year, or what player or impact needs to be replaced with that money. Must be in a pretty great spot if we're rocking 10m+ in cap space, eh? Let's go waste 6.25m! That'll be no problem, right?

 

[egd27]

I answered the question. You're the one dodging the answer.

Please show me where you answered the question.......Who made the decision to sign an elite player to an $11M contract knowing they had 3 stars coming off ELCs, one year left on a bad $6M contract , and another bad contract in Zaitsev?

You replied with:
"Doing nothing except watch the team get worse because........."

and then:
"It's the answer to the only question that matters here. You're attempting to ........"

Now you claim to have answered it? How incredibly disingenuous.

I suppose I really should know better.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Please show me where you answered the question..

I responded twice - both of which you ignored, because it highlighted the inherent problem with your question that you already know the answer to.

Lou is the one that is responsible for the Marleau contract.

 

[Martin Skoula]

7+ million is quite a bit of cap space. And we currently have over 10m. If you're suggesting that Lou left Dubas with a lot of cap space, then you'd simultaneously have to admit that Dubas would be leaving the next GM with a lot of cap space.

Remember, you've established that it doesn't matter what our cap expenditure was in the previous year, or what player or impact needs to be replaced with that money. Must be in a pretty great spot if we're rocking 10m+ in cap space, eh? Let's go waste 6.25m! That'll be no problem, right?

Make sure that 6.25 is spent on a replacement level 35+ contract with a full NMC that goes through all your major RFA deadlines.

Can't move the cap hit by buying it out, retirement, or demotion. HAS to be a trade to a destination of the player's choice for the express purpose of a buyout that leaves the full cap hit on the books of the acquiring team.

 

[bodechek]

Don't be upset if Campbell signs somewhere else. Dubas and the Leafs did not show him any loyalty.

 

[DarkKnight]

I will never forget how quiet and positionally sound he always was…

 

[kb]

Make sure that 6.25 is spent on a replacement level 35+ contract with a full NMC that goes through all your major RFA deadlines.

Can't move the cap hit by buying it out, retirement, or demotion. HAS to be a trade to a destination of the player's choice for the express purpose of a buyout that leaves the full cap hit on the books of the acquiring team.

But that's Dubas' fault that he couldn't snap his fingers like Lou "if you're over 30 declining, and average, you get 6-8 years at $5.5-$7 million" Lamoriello, according to our enlightened brethren.

 

[ACC1224]

Please show me where you answered the question.......Who made the decision to sign an elite player to an $11M contract knowing they had 3 stars coming off ELCs, one year left on a bad $6M contract , and another bad contract in Zaitsev?

You replied with:
"Doing nothing except watch the team get worse because........."

and then:
"It's the answer to the only question that matters here. You're attempting to ........"

Now you claim to have answered it? How incredibly disingenuous.

I suppose I really should know better.

Once everyone realizes that this place will seem a lot saner.

Anyone know what Lou Lam has to do with Mrazek being dumped?
Shirley that can't be his fault as well.

 

[Sypher04]

Don't be upset if Campbell signs somewhere else. Dubas and the Leafs did not show him any loyalty.

Oh give me a break.

 

[egd27]

I responded twice - both of which you ignored, because it highlighted the inherent problem with your question that you already know the answer to.

Lou is the one that is responsible for the Marleau contract.

Of course he is.

And knowing that contract existed, Dubas made decisions that necessitated giving up a 1st to move it. It's a very easy plot to follow.

 

[Mess]

I will never forget how quiet and positionally sound he always was…


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That was one of my favourite Mrazek moments.

 

[NewEraGM]

So who is the leafs goalie next year????
Fleury = gone
Husso = gone
Mrazek = gone
Vitacek = gone

It’s down to Campbell (unlikely) , Kuemper (unlikely since he is asking for 6M)

This is becoming a very dire situation

 

[BLONG7]

Pissed.

Burying a mistake...........cost him.
At least there is some cap to get a goalie....

So who is the leafs goalie next year????
Fleury = gone
Husso = gone
Mrazek = gone
Vitacek = gone

It’s down to Campbell (unlikely) , Kuemper (unlikely since he is asking for 6M)

This is becoming a very dire situation

Get the Zamboni guy?
Doobs is going to have to get creative for sure.......

 

[egd27]

It required a 1st to move regardless of Dubas' decisions. Do you believe that every GM who has made a cap dump trade is responsible for that cost, even when they are not the ones who signed it? You say "of course" Lou is the one responsible for the Marleau contract, but you're simultaneously attempting to absolve him of the responsibility in order to blame the guy who had to deal with it.

I have no problem admitting the contract was Lou's responsibility. Zaitsev's as well.

Why is it so difficult for you to admit that the series of decisions / contracts that Dubas initiated necessitated the need to dispose of the Marleau / Zaitsev contracts in order to have the necessary cap space?

 

[Mess]

Of course he is.

And knowing that contract existed, Dubas made decisions that necessitated giving up a 1st to move it. It's a very easy plot to follow.

Common sense is all that is needed here..

Was Marleau's contract already on the books along with the kids on ELCs when Dubas was hired and then went out and spent $11 mil on Tavares regardless of the impact on the cap it would have?

What did Dubas expect would happen to existing contracts (magically disappear?), once he used up an unplanned & unbudgeted for $11 mil of available cap space on a UFA?

Anybody should be able to connect the simple dots that as a fallout from the JT signing, Dubas chose to deal Leafs 1st rounder along with Marleau to recapture cap space to now afford to pay other RFA players.

Lou Lam had nothing to do with Dubas decision to sign JT, nor deal Leafs 1st to dump Marleau's contract, and he wasn't even in the organization when either of these transactions went down.

Lou Lam is 100% accountable for signing Marleau organically, just like he was 100% accountable for drafting franchise and future Hart trophy winning Auston Matthews, which he then both passed on to the new GM, nobody disputes those facts !!! However the cap hell problem didn't exist nor was Marleau last year on the books a problem if the new GM would have simply invested that $11 mil internally into the teams upcoming RFAs and not externally into a high priced UFA, and allowed the Marleau contrct to expire naturally.

Dubas didn't have to trade Leafs 1st only to lose in round #1, he could have done that similarly with Marleau and not needed Tavares to do so. However Leafs would still have their 1st round pick. Dubas thought he was improving the Leafs chances for a 1st round win, and as we have seen even 3 more playoff seasons later with his choice to sign JT that hasn't happened.

Now we have come full circle and Dubas is still trading 1st round picks to recapture cap space with the Mrazek trade yesterday, proving he still has no idea on how to build a winner, and the originally signing of JT as the ongoing cap problem, that was created by Dubas that puts the Leafs into CAP HELL annually without any playoff results to validate that decision.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I have no problem admitting the contract was Lou's responsibility. Zaitsev's as well. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that the series of decisions / contracts that Dubas initiated necessitated the need to dispose of the Marleau / Zaitsev contracts in order to have the necessary cap space?

The need to get rid of Marleau didn't have anything to do with any particular contract or decision. It had to do with it being a horrible idea for a competitive team to carry 6.25m in dead cap or on-ice liability instead of using that space to maintain and improve the team. We would need to get rid of it, regardless of how we had replaced our departing players the year before.

If Lou is responsible for the contract, then he is responsible for the consequences of that contract.

 

[DarkKnight]

So who is the leafs goalie next year????
Fleury = gone
Husso = gone
Mrazek = gone
Vitacek = gone

It’s down to Campbell (unlikely) , Kuemper (unlikely since he is asking for 6M)

This is becoming a very dire situation

Garret Sparks is UFA

 

[613Leafer]

So who is the leafs goalie next year????
Fleury = gone
Husso = gone
Mrazek = gone
Vitacek = gone

It’s down to Campbell (unlikely) , Kuemper (unlikely since he is asking for 6M)

This is becoming a very dire situation

1A/starter options: Campbell, Kuemper, and Varlamov, or maybe Blackwood if they're confident he can rebound (should have a stronger 1B if going with him)

1B/backup options: Hill, Comrie, Holtby, Driedger, etc.

We're running out of chairs in this musical chairs game.

 

[egd27]

The need to get rid of Marleau didn't have anything to do with any particular contract or decision. It had to do with it being a horrible idea for a competitive team to carry 6.25m in dead cap or on-ice liability instead of using that space to maintain and improve the team. We would need to get rid of it, regardless of how we had replaced our departing players the year before.

If Lou is responsible for the contract, then he is responsible for the consequences of that contract.

I never suggested it was any particular contract or decision, it was a series of them made by Kyle Dubas once he became GM.

Nice try with your oft used semantics strategy though.