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Confirmed Trade: [TOR/BOS] Brandon Carlo (15% retained) for Fraser Minten, cond. 2026 1st round pick (top 5 protected), 2025 4th round pick

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Lahey said:
You guys paid a first for a guy that was given away with a second round pick. Good try tho bum
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What does the previous price paid for him matter?

The Jets traded a 1st round pick last year to acquire a guy who had been given away with a first round pick.

Context matters, situations change, value changes.

Beauvillier was traded today for a 2nd round pick. He was traded twice last season, each time for a 5th round pick.
 
Martin Skoula said:
I’m going to get crucified for this but if he’s regressed to basically the premium deluxe version of Holl that’s not a bad fit, we’ve been lacking guys that take away space through the NZ and force a slow slog of a game. McCabe and Tanev are great in the D-zone but the rest of them need someone that denies a 15 foot wingspan and gives the forwards time to get back.
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You shouldn't be crucified for this and I think you're right.

Not getting into the price tag to acquire him, just talking about him as a player, I think he undeniably upgrades the Maple Leafs defence.

But you have to understand what you got. He's a second pairing guy, and while he's big - really big - he is not physical.

Instead of getting frustrated by the fact that he doesn't add toughness or intimidation with that size, instead look at what he does do with that size which is use excellent reach both for poke checking and intercepting passes and blocking lanes but he's also just a big a body to get around and to get tangled up with in tight.
 
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Jared Dunn said:
I don't like the Laughton one but think this is a good deal for the Leafs. Good return for Boston too honestly Minten is a good player
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Totally agree. I don't think Laughton moves the needle for the Maple Leafs at all and I don't think he was worth acquiring and I don't like the price they paid to get him. I actually like him better on the wing, so that's a whole other thing... Don't really get why they would pay that price for a marginal upgrade in Laughton. But Carlo, I think he's a clear upgrade for the team and gives them something that they don't have in there blue line group.
 
Things can change and he could be better.

As a Bruins fan, I’ve wanted Carlo gone for a while. He’s just… not that good. For his size he should be more effective but often times gets muscled around by guys half his size.

I’m thrilled with the return.
 
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FerrisRox said:
Totally agree. I don't think Laughton moves the needle for the Maple Leafs at all and I don't think he was worth acquiring and I don't like the price they paid to get him. I actually like him better on the wing, so that's a whole other thing... Don't really get why they would pay that price for a marginal upgrade in Laughton. But Carlo, I think he's a clear upgrade for the team and gives them something that they don't have in there blue line group.
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What do you think he gives that the blue line group doesn't have? He's a much worse defender than Tanev, and he can't move the puck at all.
 
You hope that Tre scouted him before trading for him lol. Tre likes big physical defensemen.

Timmins is big relatively but not physical so he’s moved out.
 
McFlyingV said:
Ok but remember this. Manson was utilized as a 2nd pairing Dman while Carlo has been utilized as a 3rd pairing Dman at 5v5. It's much more than just the quality its the minutes.

Yes Carlo has the size to do it, but he's still inconsistent in doing it.

Here is my opinion on acquiring players like Carlo and Schenn for the playoffs and playing them outside of your #6/#7 position. It's completely brain dead thinking. To think you want a guy who legitimately can not move the puck and cannot get the puck out of his zone just because he's maybe a little better at clearing the net or defending. But here's the problem. These D men get hemmed in and get absolutely obliterated on zone time, so not only do they get them and their forwards caught out tired constantly in a long grind that is the playoffs, but they are also prone to more opportunities for shitty bounces to end up in the back of their net. Its the exact reason I hated Cody Ceci here. He had good PK numbers and he was a complete black hole for moving the puck out of the zone. Puck retrievals were ass. Puck moving was ass. And guess what he got absolutely torched because of it. It's not a recipe for success, and no amount of mental gymnastics of "well they need size not more soft skill guys" will convince me otherwise. I've watched it for 2 straight post-seasons. These type of D kill you in the playoffs.

Yes, you want size and strong competitors, but they need to be functional size. Carlo is not functional size.
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This is where we differ. Ceci has been pretty bad for years. Carlo has not, he was playing regular top 4 minutes as recently as last year. I don't view them as particularly comparable players. Also for Carlo's case he will be playing almost strictly with either Rielly or OEL. Both of whom are offensive defensemen, as poor as his offensive game may be there will be 4 other offensive players on the ice at almost any given time (unless he's stuck out there with Toronto's 4th line). Ceci played with Nurse who is also useless offensively, Edmonton as a team can't generate offense unless one or both of McDrai are also on the ice, so if they were both resting then Nurse - Ceci were screwed.

Afiak Ceci has looked solid in Dallas though, but I think that has more to do with how much offensive depth they have. Dallas can role 4 lines with very little worry of getting hemmed in their own end
 
Rob Brown said:
Addressed arguably the two biggest needs and people here are surprised that the consensus is they did well. Lol.
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It's hilarious.

There's no question the Maple Leafs needed to get better on defence and add third line centre with a 200-foot game.

Even better, if you could add two guys that make the team a little bit more difficult to play against.

Even better, can they have term so they aren't just here for a few months, but could be part of the team going forward?

Whatever you think about the price paid, or even the players themselves, it's silly to suggest that a team that went out and specifically addressed their weaknesses didn't do well.
 
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Score08 said:
Listen I’m a bruins fan and have watched every single professional game that Carlo has played, and he’s done none of those things that you mentioned. He refuses to clear the front of the net, refuses to use his size, can’t recall him ever standing up in a scrum that was noteworthy. There’s a reason Ive nicknamed him Herman munster, he’s the softest 6’5 defenseman you’ll ever see play. Not saying he suck’s, he plays relatively safe responsible hockey, he just won’t be what people are expecting. He’ll be fine, just readjust the expectations from chara to Hal Gill.
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Funny thing is that is exactly what the Leafs need as the second pairing Dman to pair with Rielly. When Rielly has been at his best in the playoffs it is when he plays with a Dman who basically stands at center ice when the team is in the offensive zone to cover for him, but in the dzone can break a cycle, and stong positional d in his zone. Rielly gets lost a ton in coverage and cannot stop a cycle but is weirdly good at being physical in front of the net and clearing people out.
 
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AuraSphere said:
Wow leafs got fleeced - minten + 1st??? should have been one or the other... what is happening this TDL lol...

I would have given that for Lindholm... not Carlo
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Brad Treliving is not a good GM. He is a chucklehead.

Toronto is a little better after the TDL, but probably not enough for a cup chance and having paid too much.
 
Divine said:
Good for you, unfortunate for Pasta. Team blows it up and he's never seen anything and just signed for 8 years. He'll probably request a trade soon though.

I'd be interested at Pasta at 50%.
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I wonder what a under 6 million Pasta would command when he's a 14 million dollar player.

Would the NHL accept 4 or 5 1sts + a great prospect + A really good young player?
 
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