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Tim and Sid trying to do an interview with Ross. What a joke. Good work Sportsnet techies. Had to turn the channel. sportsnet sucks.
Blue Jays Discussion: TOR Acquires Francisco Liriano, Scott Feldman, Mike Bolsinger
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The problem is not this year, but going forward after this year. There is some evidence, that once the season is over, and they shut him down for the year until next spring, he will start to display arm problems the following season. Once he exceeds, his previous innings top, by more than 30%, arm issues start to crop up the following year. The perfect example is Harvey and Syndergaard with the Mets, to bring it more into perspective.
Snider was a young prospect who had potential. He trade him for Lincoln who was washed up.
Happ credits much of his recent success to the Pittsburgh organization. If he doesn't go there he likely isn't as good as he is now.
We will have to agree to disagree.
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Wow, I love Hutch and have been one of his biggest supporters, but what a haul. They absolutely killed it in this deal. 
He'll exceed it by 30% in the bullpen.
Moving him to the bullpen is the dumbest move of them all. If you're concerned about the guy's health, just shut him down - don't make him throw higher stress innings.
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That's quite the haul for Hutch, I guess Huntington really wanted Liriano and his salary gone. Will still miss Hutch, though.
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Yep. We got Liriano now, so we could just have placed Sanchez on 15 day-dl with a fake injury to get him his time off, and he would have been ready to go for the playoffs.
Ugh.
Agree'd. Awful solution to send a guy, who has now developed multiple pitches, to go back to throwing fastballs (As hard as he can) and a breaking ball here and there.
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That TSN interview with Atkins is so great...... Wait they don't have one cause they don't have the rights to anything of importance.
Not to mention messing with his weekly workout routine. His body is used to starting. This could really mess him up.
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It was inevitable due to choice. I'm not saying it was the right choice.
A top end pitcher doesn't seem like it was ever in the cards. We just don't have the pieces.
edit: and Atkins just said that teams were interested in players currently on the team for their TOR starters.
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Suppose you think moving him to the bullpen last year was a bad move too, or did you not care about it as much?
Moving him to the pen really destroyed him last year.
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Snider has never developed into anything and it is pretty obvious the Jays realized this.
Lincoln was a solid young arm, who had started and relieved in the majors. It was clearly a value-for-value trade based on the needs of each team. The Jays took a risk (imagine if Snider became good) and the Pirates took a risk (imagine if Lincoln became good).
And you can complain all you want, but Happ has developed into a very good starting pitcher. Where and how he did it is largely irrelevant. He's a Jay now and the organization clearly saw something (twice) to warrant trading for/signing him.
Argue all you want, but you can't cite a real example of an AA trade doing long-term harm to the organization.
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we just traded one piece that got Liriano and 2 good prospects.
and hutch isn't exactly a prime piece.
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Was it woodman saying to sell on some controllable pitching to restock the cuboards with the prices set the way they were? Now obviously the salary played into things in this scenario, but it seems we've hit two birds with one stone in terms of adding to the mlb roster and getting a couple of lottery tickets. I just hope it plays out well with Liriano.
So, you'd have been happier with a deal where the Jays got no prospects but the Pirates paid most of Liriano's salary?
What does last year have to do with anything?
Sanchez was terrible as a SP last year. This year he's one of, it not the, best pitchers in the American League
To remove your best pitcher from the rotation under the (false) pretense that it will magically protect his health is ludicrous.
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Although I have faith that hutch will someday be a quality starter and with the Pirates that's more likely to happen now but man you really can't complain that return. Helps this year and fills our prospect pool a little at the same time. A catcher that seems destined to stick at the position which isn't often the case and an outfield prospect that's very close to ready. At the very least we've picked up really good trade chips that we didn't have at the start of the deadline.
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