Blue Jays Discussion: TOR Acquires Francisco Liriano, Scott Feldman, Mike Bolsinger
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as Pure as Evil
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so we got a starter and relief pitchers plus a prospect with out selling anyone in our top 20 prospects
this is a win no matter how complainers spin it.
sanchez did more this year then most people would have said he would have done.
this is a win no matter how complainers spin it.
sanchez did more this year then most people would have said he would have done.
There are a lot of people who expected hutch to be a top2 starter in the rotation.
The jays gave him every chance they could to get him into form and he never performed or improved.
The people who are complaining that hard are either really really big fans of hutch, or simply looking at Lirianos stats for this year in isolation and saying OMG WE GOT ROBBED.
It was the rebuilding in the off season that set the tone for the franchise not the Happ trade.
I will go back on what I said though. Having looked at it the deadlines during AA tenure, he didn't suck they were just underwhelming. Besides last year he wasn't some deadline guru.
trellaine201
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Look at his career stats. I can see why. Quite a few walks as well. That will kill you especially in the AL.
Longshot
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They give up Hutch. A minor league guy, who has been the 6th starter all year.
They get: Liriano, a 5th starter in the majors this year (having a poor season) who has been better every other recent season. He has a track record with Martin and is a leftie.
They also get a nice prospect in the deal.
Not sure why anybody would be upset. Based on Hutch's past, Liriano is about as good as you could get. And a prospect is nice.
Canada4Gold
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Tell you friends that either
a) They're reading into Liriano's bad stats too much, he was mostly free in this trade, and could work out for us
b) They care too much for Hutch. He may still be a solid pitcher, and who knows he could go full Arrieta but it appears there wasn't going to be a spot for him here long term
c) Learn a little about the prospect(and the 2nd one when we find out who that is)
Hutch possibly had similar value to the 2 prospects depending on the 2nd guy, but it didn't really appear he had a place here sadly, and it could work out great depending on how Liriano performs. This bad year could be an outlier and getting back with Martin could do wonders.
Longshot
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What did you expect? He would have a trade deadline for the ages EVERY year?
I wonder if you would make such a comment if he didn't have the amazing deadline he had last year.
It makes me laugh to hear a general manger criticized for not being a "deadline guru" when in his entire history of deadline making deals he didn't make a single poor trade.
Just a suggestion, a GM having an amazing deadline one year, doesn't mean every other deadline is awful.
Every year is different. GMs should be judged on the body of their work, not a single date on the calendar.
Moving young guys back and forth from the bullpen can hurt them in the long run. If a guy is as in the zone and Sanchez is I'd just let him ride it out. I wouldn't mess with his routine.
zeke
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hate to complain, but the FO clearly prioritized prospectz over winning this year, unfortunately.
I will hope beyond hope that Liriano is good but if he continues to be toast we may have just dramatically worsened our rotation, by replacing one of the best SP in mlb this year with one of the worst.
I will hope beyond hope that Liriano is good but if he continues to be toast we may have just dramatically worsened our rotation, by replacing one of the best SP in mlb this year with one of the worst.
LaPlante94
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Just a question from a casual baseball fan. What is the purpose of an innings limit for a pitcher? Only curious because Sanchez has been our best and most consistent starter and now he's going to the bullpen. Guy is having a Cy Young like year. Also, do you think they'll bring him out of the bullpen to start if we make the playoffs?
What did you expect? He would have a trade deadline for the ages EVERY year?
I wonder if you would make such a comment if he didn't have the amazing deadline he had last year.
It makes me laugh to hear a general manger criticized for not being a "deadline guru" when in his entire history of deadline making deals he didn't make a single poor trade.
Just a suggestion, a GM having an amazing deadline one year, doesn't mean every other deadline is awful.
Every year is different. GMs should be judged on the body of their work, not a single date on the calendar.
He did make poor trades. The Happ and Snider trades were not good. He did nothing in 2014 and was criticized by his own players. My original comment was in response to a poster saying AA would have done better than Atkins this year. I was pointing out that AA was not a deadline guru in previous years.
Eyedea
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What? Sanchez was going to the pen no matter what and Hutch would have been the guy to take his spot in the rotation. Now they have a three way battle with Bolsinger/Feldman/Liriano.
Liriano also offers upside despite being bad so far this year.
Longshot
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Do you have any evidence this is a true statement?
I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false.
And I think 99% of people agree with me. There is no definitive answer.
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Well my prediction of yesterday being Sanchez's last start comes true. Looks like the Jays don't like increasing pitchers innings much higher than %30-40 from year before as that SI article suggested. It is impressive that the jays can make such a tough decision like that, when he is doing so well.
Nobody would have predicted to be in this spot in March or April, as far as him being one of the best starters in baseball, but if he wasn't doing this well or was pitching like a #4-5 that many people projected he might be, this decision wouldn't be such a big deal to most fans.
Nobody would have predicted to be in this spot in March or April, as far as him being one of the best starters in baseball, but if he wasn't doing this well or was pitching like a #4-5 that many people projected he might be, this decision wouldn't be such a big deal to most fans.
Eyedea
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zeke
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sanchez going to the pen is a choice, not an inevitability.
And if they were sure about it, they needed to add a top end pitcher.
Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi 1m1 minute ago
Reese McGuire was 14th pick in 2013.
Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi 3m3 minutes ago
#BlueJays taking on all of Francisco Liriano's money.
Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi 4m4 minutes ago
Catcher Reese McGuire and outfielder Harold Ramirez are prospects #BlueJays get with Francisco Liriano
Reese McGuire was 14th pick in 2013.
Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi 3m3 minutes ago
#BlueJays taking on all of Francisco Liriano's money.
Shi Davidi @ShiDavidi 4m4 minutes ago
Catcher Reese McGuire and outfielder Harold Ramirez are prospects #BlueJays get with Francisco Liriano
Longshot
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I have no desire to get into this. As I have previously stated, there was nothing wrong with the Happ and Snider trades.
And I'm not sure why you would continue to argue that point. Snider was a nothing player they traded for a nothing player. And the Happ deal turned out well. They traded a package of prospects for a leftie who has developed into a star.
Your examples of two "not good" trade are actually a good trade and a nothing trade.
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