Blue Jays Discussion: TOR Acquires Francisco Liriano, Scott Feldman, Mike Bolsinger

[Koto]

Pretty weak MLB Central panel ROFL

Jonah keri single handedly making this watchable

 

[trellaine201]

I kinda feel bad for the die hard fans who show up game in and game out. I realize we are close to first place. But for all the money the fans have handed over they must be disappointed. I see no noteworthy improvement. They made small deals for the sake of making a deal. A shake up. Have to hope the offence keeps going strong. Because I don't think our P has the legs.

 

[Longshot]

So,

In: Benoit, Upton, Feldman, Bolsinger (minors), Kratz.

Out: Morales (if somebody grabs him), Chavez, Storen and low minor leaguers.

Not too shabby for a team that doesn't have a lot of holes.

 

[Eyedea]

The Red Sox improved? They traded for Abad lol.

Also the Rangers still did not address their starting pitching, and their bullpen maybe goes from completely awful to below average with Jeffress.

 

[Mad Brills*]

an absolute joke of a deadline if sanchez goes to the bullpe

 

[Longshot]

My biggest questions right now:

What's going on with Sanchez?

And,

Do the Jays see Loup as a serious option as a leftie?

 

[Longshot]

an absolute joke of a deadline if sanchez goes to the bullpe

Over react much?

You realize, they can still make deals, right?

 

[The Nemesis]

I was talking about David Price FFS. I specifically mentioned that they were small market because they didn't try to sign David Price the player. You seem to want to change the argument to trades for some reason.

Oh and I hated the Dickey trade from the start. That was just stupid. And if I was talking about trades (WHICH I AM NOT. I'm talking about David Price), you make good trades. That was not a good trade. Now, can you please stop with your straw man arguments?

Price has been bad by his own lofty standards this year. Even stripping away the ERA spike, the underlying #s are not saying that this is some sort of mirage. This is a bit of a swoon for him. It's year 1 and already looking like Price might struggle to live up to that ridiculous contract. Couple that with the fact that not throwing money at Price enabled the team to target Happ and retain Estrada and it made perfect sense for them not to spend that money.

You answered your own question. They should have addressed it in full. Or maybe tried to clear up the Sanchez issue.. The latter being a major issue.

Feldman is likely the addressing of the Sanchez issue. He works in the pen and if Sanchez can stay in the rotation (Which seems reasonable considering there's never been said to be an innings limit except by media speculation. Atkins has only ever talked about monitoring performance evaluators like spin rate and velocity and more subjective things like fatigue.), and if Sanchez has to go into the pen Feldman gives you a solid #4/5.

Because let's be realisitic, given that Sanchez going to the pen is in no way, shape, or form a sure thing, why would you acquire a #3+ starter and then go "oops, looks like we're not opening a spot for you after all."

Jonah keri single handedly making this watchable

Pretty much.

 

[The Nemesis]

I kinda feel bad for the die hard fans who show up game in and game out. I realize we are close to first place. But for all the money the fans have handed over they must be disappointed. I see no noteworthy improvement. They made small deals for the sake of making a deal. A shake up. Have to hope the offence keeps going strong. Because I don't think our P has the legs.

Most die hard fans are the ones that are being rational about this and recognizing that there has been value in what's been done and/or that the Jays didn't need to do much.

The bulk of the disappointment seems to be from knee-jerk casual fans who think that every deadline has to be like 2015 if your team is in contention. The same fans that will likely bail on the team when they eventually swoon a bit and will complain about having to sit through a rebuild with an empty cupboard of prospects because good management would've been prepared for such an eventuality.

 

[dredeye]

Rangers, Indians, and Red Sox all git much better, and the Jays basically did nothing. Rogers is a joke, they are not a small market franchise, but for some reason, they treat them like one. Shapiro and Atkins were a horrible fit here from the start. This team was/is built to win now. If it wasn't, why wouldn't you be trading guys Eddie, Jose, Happ, Estrada, etc.. There is an entire country behind this team, great attendance, great TV ratings, and that's not enough for this team and it's management to go for it?

I'm disappointed to say the least.

The rogers is cheap stuff is the weakest start to any argument. AA traded away pretty much every upper level prospect we had last year and the year before. There isn't much in our system at the moment that other gm's would be clamouring for to add a high end piece. We have a lot of good prospects but they are too low in the system right now to carry much in the way of trade value. Nothing that's happened has any barring on how much money rogers does or doesn't spend. Hell when Jose came back from his injury he was asked what he hopes or thinks the team needs to add. His response was that they didn't need to do anything because they are good enough to win. Remember Jose has been very vocal in the past about how the Jays approached the deadline and that was under AA. So yes. The Jays are fine. One of the best starting staffs in baseball currently. Elite bats pretty much throughout the lineup. Pen has always been the only real question mark and they've at least tinkered with it the last little bit. I'm not really upset by anything that's happened today.

 

[deletethis]

Ladies and gentlemen, that's what a trade deadline (and a season of transactions) looks like when the GM doesn't have a foot out the door. Farm system barely touched, that's the way you do it.

 

[Cloned]

I'm going to agree that the team just didn't have the prospect capital to make the "big" trades today, but I think it's a little disingenuous to say the team doesn't have any holes.

The bullpen is still a major question mark, unless Sanchez goes back, but then...

Starting rotation WITH Sanchez could have used an upgrade - Stroman and Dickey are not reliable down the stretch. Starting rotation without Sanchez is ugly for a contender.

You can make the point that the Jays couldn't afford the prices on most of the impact players that got traded today, but I don't think it's fair to group that argument with the "everything is OK, this team has no/few holes" argument either.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Rogers is cheap as a ****.

Prospect hugging instead of going all in for a last window year.

Start the rebuild if jose/edwin/saunders all walk.

Pompey as a starter?

LOL!

 

[Longshot]

Most die hard fans are the ones that are being rational about this and recognizing that there has been value in what's been done and/or that the Jays didn't need to do much.

The bulk of the disappointment seems to be from knee-jerk casual fans who think that every deadline has to be like 2015 if your team is in contention. The same fans that will likely bail on the team when they eventually swoon a bit and will complain about having to sit through a rebuild with an empty cupboard of prospects because good management would've been prepared for such an eventuality.

Casual fans?

Knee jerk reactions?

No way!

 

[Eyedea]

??

"Media tactic?"

What does that even mean?

All teams in the majors can continue to make deals after today. To do so, the players involved need to clear waivers.

It happens all the time, every year. Are they "blockbuster" franchise-changing deals? Not usually, but they still happen.

It's not a creation of the media. It's a legitimate part of the sport.

Pay attention. There will be a whole bunch of deals after today.

It absolutely is a media tactic. He's trying to generate and maintain buzz by saying a deal may still happen, suggesting that a trade hasn't leaked out yet. This doesn't have to do with any trades post non-waiver deadline, but he can say so after the dust has settled.

 

[The Nemesis]

Ladies and gentlemen, that's what a trade deadline (and a season of transactions) looks like when the GM doesn't have a foot out the door. Farm system barely touched, that's the way you do it.

This is a forgotten factor, I think.

Of course Anthopoulos said "**** it, burn this system to the ground." last year, because he knew that if he didn't make a giant push his job was likely in jeopardy. It's easy to rip the guts out of a farm system if you figure it'll be your replacement's problem.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Rogers is cheap as a ****.

Prospect hugging instead of going all in for a last window year.

Start the rebuild if jose/edwin/saunders all walk.

Pompey as a starter?

LOL!

This makes no sense

 

[Longshot]

Rogers is cheap as a ****.

Prospect hugging instead of going all in for a last window year.

Start the rebuild if jose/edwin/saunders all walk.

Pompey as a starter?

LOL!

Except, it's not "a last window year."

Other than EE, Bautista, Saunders and Dickey this team is under control for next year.

There are all kinds of scenarios and options to extend the "window."

Over react much?

 

[Scrub*]

Rogers is cheap as a ****.

Prospect hugging instead of going all in for a last window year.

Start the rebuild if jose/edwin/saunders all walk.

Pompey as a starter?

LOL!

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

So Davidi said they weren't done but they are done ??

 

[Longshot]

So Davidi said they weren't done but they are done ??

Nope.

As I've said on multiple occasions, today is the non-waiver trade deadline. They can continue to make moves after today.

 

[The Nemesis]

So Davidi said they weren't done but they are done ??

1) always the chance that there was a paperwork backlog and news of another deal doesn't come out for a little while longer.

or

2) The baseball deadline is a weird, soft one. Teams can still make trades for basically another month as long as the pieces involved all clear waivers in the process. So it's possible for them to acquire someone for a while longer, it just takes a bit more finagling to get a trade done.

 

[bentharbour]

??

"Media tactic?"

What does that even mean?

All teams in the majors can continue to make deals after today. To do so, the players involved need to clear waivers.

It happens all the time, every year. Are they "blockbuster" franchise-changing deals? Not usually, but they still happen.

It's not a creation of the media. It's a legitimate part of the sport.

Pay attention. There will be a whole bunch of deals after today.

It is not very complicated. Insiders and journalists work for companies that need viewers. Good way to keep people watching? Make open-ended statements that can never be proven wrong such as "XXXX may not be done." Teams can make deals after today. I never said they couldn't. I guess you think you're the only one who understands that. It is just annoying when media folk say such things when coverage is winding down.

We all get it. Deals can still be done. Nobody is saying otherwise. You haven't figured out some secret that nobody else knows.

 

[Scrub*]

I thought we'd get Mike Trout today. Dissapointed.

 

[Morgs]

Blue Jays get Liriano?/