Blue Jays Discussion: TOR Acquires Francisco Liriano, Scott Feldman, Mike Bolsinger

[Anthrax442]

Alykhan K. Ravjiani ‏@AlykhanKR 5m5 minutes ago
Looks as though #BlueJays will indeed keep top prospects. H. Rodriguez was ranked No. 18 and G. Chavez was No. 20 according to MLB Pipeline.

 

[Dr.Funk]

So what does the bullpen look like now?

Osuna
Grilli
Cecil
Biagini
Benoit
Feldman

...?

That's exactly it.


It appears Ryan Goins is coming up to fill in while Tulo gets a few days to rest, so extra bench guy and 6 man pen.

 

[Longshot]

Unless another deal comes down, that has to confirm Sanchez stays in the Rotation.

No way we let Dickey or Hutch pitch in the post-season

Seems pretty clear.

And, please remember, they can make a deal after the deadline.

They can wait for things to cool off. More teams might fall out of it. In a couple of weeks more options might emerge.

 

[Tony Romo]

Apparently Giants are giving Duffy in the Moore deal. wonder if Tampa trades Longoria in the offseason.

 

[Woodman19]

So we moved out Chavez and upgraded him with Feldman while picking up a potential pen piece going forward in Boslinger. Nothing massive but it was a badly needed pen upgrade, albeit only a little one.

 

[TF97]

It's funny when he says crap like that. Really? You want Barney and Goins to be your 2B tandem going forward? LMAO

Nearly every single time his reasoning is "Darwin is a veteran who has been there and done that, oh and he is a Gold Glove winner"

 

[shakes]

I don't think you understand what "too much" means. It's not too much money, too high salary. It's too much in prospect capital, you know the things the actual other team is asking for in return.

so that has nothing to do with small or big market. And I';m sure you won't care about losing prospects now. That only matters in 3 years when they're MLB players we're whining about trading in hindsight. Been there, done that.

Eh? I specifically talked about Price and you are talking about something else? And, what does it matter in 3 years if Toronto has a couple of great players but no supporting cast. In baseball you go for it when the opportunity is there. Like I said before, it's not hockey where half the teams make the playoffs. People here mix up hockey with baseball too much. Completely different animals.

 

[Longshot]

Shi Davidi reporting another deal might be coming.

 

[Eyedea]

our pitching has been kinda ho hum. Lots of inconsistency. Not sure it's enough to upend the others.

Just have to hope.

And how does their pitching inconsistency compare to say, every other team in the AL?

 

[Stud Muffin]

Shi just said the Jays ain't done yet.

 

[Bjindaho]

You might want to let MLB know then

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/designate-for-assignment

do you have a source for this? Because I've never heard of a player just being put straight back on the roster post DFA.

Not talking optional waivers DFA that happened earlier in the year where it might have happened. That didn't happen here.

I was going off:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/today/tranx/dfa.asp

Apparently, they are wrong.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Cor]

Seems pretty clear.

And, please remember, they can make a deal after the deadline.

They can wait for things to cool off. More teams might fall out of it. In a couple of weeks more options might emerge.

Sure, they can. But it's harder to get impact players

Thus, we are unlikely to acquire a post-season caliber rotation pitcher after today

 

[Cloned]

Seems pretty clear.

And, please remember, they can make a deal after the deadline.

They can wait for things to cool off. More teams might fall out of it. In a couple of weeks more options might emerge.

I'd imagine after rosters expand they will bring Hutch up to pitch in the BP or to spot a Dickey/Sanchez start here and there.

 

[Longshot]

Nearly every single time his reasoning is "Darwin is a veteran who has been there and done that, oh and he is a Gold Glove winner"

And Travis could be a star/near-star for the next decade...

 

[Longshot]

Sure, they can. But it's harder to get impact players

Thus, we are unlikely to acquire a post-season caliber rotation pitcher after today

You mean like David Cone in 1992?

 

[Cloned]

Shi just said the Jays ain't done yet.

Hutch + Harris for Santana.

 

[Cloned]

You mean like David Cone in 1992?

Dude, that was like 25 years ago. A quarter-century. Things do change a tad bit in that time.

 

[Kurtz]

You mean like David Cone in 1992?

He said it's unlikely. You're seriously going back to something that happened 25 years ago to argue his comment?

 

[Bluelines]

AA trades

Alex started as GM in October of 2009. I have no dog in this debate but IMO he's made a lot of insignificant trades and a few good one's'.

December 16, 2009

• Traded Roy Halladay and cash to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Travis d'Arnaud, Kyle Drabek and Michael Taylor.
  
• Traded Michael Taylor to the Oakland Athletics. Received Brett Wallace.

December 23, 2009

• Traded Johermyn Chavez (minors) and Brandon League to the Seattle Mariners. Received Brandon Morrow.

June 1, 2010

• Traded Dana Eveland to the Pittsburgh Pirates. Received Ronald Uviedo (minors).

June 18, 2010

• 
  Traded Jorge Padilla to the New York Mets. Received a player to be named later. The New York Mets sent Clint Everts (minors) (June 26, 2010) to the Toronto Blue Jays to complete the trade.

July 14, 2010

• Traded Tim Collins, Alex Gonzalez and Tyler Pastornicky to the Atlanta Braves. Received Yunel Escobar and Jo-Jo Reyes.

July 29, 2010

• 
  Traded Brett Wallace to the Houston Astros. Received Anthony Gose

November 17, 2010

• Traded Danny Farquhar and Trystan Magnuson to the Oakland Athletics. Received Rajai Davis.

December 6, 2010

• Traded Shaun Marcum to the Milwaukee Brewers. Received Brett Lawrie.

January 21, 2011

• Traded Vernon Wells to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Received Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera.

January 25, 2011

• Traded Mike Napoli to the Texas Rangers. Received Frank Francisco.

April 18, 2011

• Traded David Purcey to the Oakland Athletics. Received Danny Farquhar.

April 22, 2011

• Traded Brad Emaus to the Colorado Rockies. Received Chris Malone (minors) and player to be named or cash.

July 27, 2011

• Traded Octavio Dotel, Edwin Jackson, Corey Patterson and Marc Rzepczynski to the St. Louis Cardinals. Received Trever Miller, Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters.
  
• Traded Jason Frasor and Zach Stewart to the Chicago White Sox. Received Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen.

August 23, 2011

• Traded Aaron Hill and John McDonald to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Kelly Johnson

December 3, 2011

1. Traded Brad Mills to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Received Jeff Mathis.

December 6, 2011

• Traded Nestor Molina (minors) to the Chicago White Sox. Received Sergio Santos.

December 12, 2011

• Traded Frank Gailey (minors) to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Ben Francisco.

January 1, 2012

• Traded Myles Jaye (minors) and Daniel Webb to the Chicago White Sox. Received Jason Frasor.

July 20, 2012

• Traded a player to be named later, Joseph Musgrove (minors), Francisco Cordero, Ben Francisco, Carlos Perez, David Rollins and Asher Wojciechowski to the Houston Astros. Received David Carpenter, J.A. Happ and Brandon Lyon. The Toronto Blue Jays sent Kevin Comer (minors) (August 16, 2012) to the Houston Astros to complete the trade.

July 30, 2012

• Traded Eric Thames to the Seattle Mariners. Received Steve Delabar.
  
• Traded Travis Snider to the Pittsburgh Pirates. Received Brad Lincoln.

October 21, 2012

• Traded David Carpenter and John Farrell (as manager) to the Boston Red Sox. Received Mike Aviles.

November 3, 2012

• Traded Mike Aviles and Yan Gomes to the Cleveland Indians. Received Esmil Rogers.

November 19, 2012

• Traded Henderson Alvarez, Anthony DeSclafani, Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Jake Marisnick, Jeff Mathis and Justin Nicolino to the Miami Marlins. Received Emilio Bonifacio, John Buck, Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes and cash.

December 17, 2012

• Traded Wuilmer Becerra (minors), John Buck, Travis d'Arnaud and Noah Syndergaard to the New York Mets. Received R.A. Dickey, Mike Nickeas and Josh Thole.

February 23, 2013

• Traded Art Charles (minors) to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Michael Schwimer.

December 3, 2013

• Traded Brad Lincoln to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Erik Kratz and Rob Rasmussen.

May 19, 2014

• Traded player to be named or cash to the Houston Astros. Received Raul Valdes.

June 12, 2014

• Traded Will Dupont (minors) and Alejandro Solarte (minors) to the Houston Astros. Received Adron Chambers.

July 28, 2014

• Traded Liam Hendriks and Erik Kratz to the Kansas City Royals. Received Danny Valencia.

August 31, 2014

• Traded Gustavo Pierre (minors) to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received John Mayberry.

October 30, 2014

• 
  Traded Santiago Nessy (minors) to the Kansas City Royals. Received Liam Hendriks.

November 1, 2014

• Traded Adam Lind to the Milwaukee Brewers. Received Marco Estrada.

November 13, 2014

• Traded Anthony Gose to the Detroit Tigers. Received Devon Travis.

November 28, 2014

• Traded Franklin Barreto (minors), Kendall Graveman, Brett Lawrie and Sean Nolin to the Oakland Athletics. Received Josh Donaldson.

December 3, 2014

• Traded J.A. Happ to the Seattle Mariners. Received Michael Saunders.

July 28, 2015

• Traded Jeff Hoffman (minors), Jesus Tinoco (minors), Miguel Castro and Jose Reyes to the Colorado Rockies. Received LaTroy Hawkins and Troy Tulowitzki.

July 30, 2015

• Traded Jairo Labourt (minors), Matt Boyd and Daniel Norris to the Detroit Tigers. Received David Price.

July 31, 2015

• Traded Jake Brentz (minors), Nick Wells (minors) and Rob Rasmussen to the Seattle Mariners. Received Mark Lowe.
  
• Traded Jimmy Cordero (minors) and Alberto Tirado (minors) to the Philadelphia Phillies. Received Ben Revere.

August 8, 2015

• Traded Dawel Lugo (minors) to the Arizona Diamondbacks. Received Cliff Pennington and cash.

August 31, 2015

• Traded Chris Heisey to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Received player to be named or cash.

September 13, 2015

• Traded Jack Murphy (minors) to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Received Darwin Barney.

 

[Cor]

You mean like David Cone in 1992?

Any examples with the past two decades you can give me?

 

[shakes]

you mean like david cone in 1992?

1992?? Lol

 

[one77]

Is Santana still pretty good? Or has he fallen off?

 

[Longshot]

Any examples with the past two decades you can give me?

Please go to Hell!

Of course not, I'm going to use the one example that proves the exception!

 

[Canada4Gold]

Eh? I specifically talked about Price and you are talking about something else? And, what does it matter in 3 years if Toronto has a couple of great players but no supporting cast. In baseball you go for it when the opportunity is there. Like I said before, it's not hockey where half the teams make the playoffs. People here mix up hockey with baseball too much. Completely different animals.

The reason they didn't do anything big was the "price" meaning the cost in prospects, not salary so that has nothing to do with big or small market, that's the point.

and yeah why would it matter in a few years when you go for it. I'm sure that's the mentality you had when trading Syndergaard back in the winter of 2012(if you knew who Noah was) because hey we're going for it now who cares when we suck in 3 years.

We're a good enough team now, and we'll still be a good team in 3 years if you don't trade the farm, we've seen this movie before, except some fans tend to not recognize it until they're whining in hindsight.