Value of: Top-9 forward (LW) to Anaheim

[Magic Man]

From my perspective as a Leaf fan, I wouldn't mind it. Maybe a 2nd coming back from you guys. JVR is great for his value and especially on a team like the Ducks, would be a guarantee for 30 goals a season. But when this rebuild is over, he'll be too old. He fits right in with the "compete now" timeline of the Ducks. Him or Kadri to me was always going to be the piece going away at some point for a RHD.

He'd compete for 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD with Connor Carrick.

The Leafs got Carrick and a 2nd for taking on Brooks Laich and giving up some value/cap in Winnik + 5th in return. If we say Montour is a comparable to Carrick and Stoner is comparable to Laich.

By replacing JVR with Peter Holland as cap back. There is still the difference between a 5th and a 2nd to take care of.

 

[Duck Off]

JVR for Montour+ Stoner? Can move another guy down to be the third line guy and then move JVR into your top 6?

Ducks would be dumb not to do this, but Toronto wouldn't. Plus, more salary would have to go the other way.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

dwight king is what your needing Not sure whats a fair offer for him from the ducks if anything?

 

[Vatican Roulette]

dwight king is what your needing Not sure whats a fair offer for him from the ducks if anything?

Cap space for both will make it a tough trade.

 

[duul]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

Was this intended to be humor?

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

Lol wait are your serious?

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Josh Leivo for Marcus Pettersson

 

[Spazkat]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

Clearly he forgot to include the in that

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Pouliot, 1st round pick, Nurse, for Lindholm + cap dumps.

Sorry but you forgot this little guy.

 

[Heldig]

What type of 3rd line LW? Big, strong checking forward? 2 way guy? Someone with offensive upside?

 

[Magic Man]

Clayton Stoner + Brandon Montour + 2nd (Andy Trade)

for

Peter Holland or Milan Michalek at 2M + Josh Leivo

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Carrick is not a comp for Montour. Carrick clearly a level below, Montour is the best dman in the AHL and arguably the best player.

 

[xxreact9]

Carrick is not a comp for Montour. Carrick clearly a level below, Montour is the best dman in the AHL and arguably the best player.

Would be hyped out of this world if he were on a big market squad, or even a squad with far less going for them on the blueline.

 

[xxreact9]

What type of 3rd line LW? Big, strong checking forward? 2 way guy? Someone with offensive upside?

Someone flexible. Ritchie hasn't done enough to say he's a lock for 1st line minutes going forward, not nearly enough. Someone who can play with Rakell/Vermette and Getzlaf/Perry.

For Rakell/Vermette main need would be that he's competent defensively. For getz/perry he can hold a cycle and possess the puck, and occasionally bang pucks into open nets.

 

[Magic Man]

Carrick is not a comp for Montour. Carrick clearly a level below, Montour is the best dman in the AHL and arguably the best player.

They're similar sized RHD both 22 and Montour is in the AHL and Carrick the NHL. Carrick was drafted in the 5th rd. in his first year of eligibility, while Montour was passed over twice, before being selected in the 2nd rd. You could argue Carrick was one of the best players in last years AHL playoff run with 18pts in 15gms. He had the privilege of playing on a stacked Marlies team and out performed them all. It's likely that if he was a Marlie he'd have comparable production to Montour's this season.

Carrick is clearly the more physical player. They're both good PP options and still works in progress when it come to the defensive side of the game. They'd battle for 2nd pairing RHD on the Leafs, the other would be on the 3rd pairing.

 

[StevenB]

Leipsic? Won't cost much and leafs have a plethora of young forwards. He has 12 pts in 7 AHL game

 

[Ducks Nation*]

They're similar sized RHD both 22 and Montour is in the AHL and Carrick the NHL. Carrick was drafted in the 5th rd. in his first year of eligibility, while Montour was passed over twice, before being selected in the 2nd rd. You could argue Carrick was one of the best players in last years AHL playoff run with 18pts in 15gms. He had the privilege of playing on a stacked Marlies team and out performed them all. It's likely that if he was a Marlie he'd have comparable production to Montour's this season.

Carrick is clearly the more physical player. They're both good PP options and still works in progress when it come to the defensive side of the game. They'd battle for 2nd pairing RHD on the Leafs, the other would be on the 3rd pairing.

Sure bud, Montour just started playing hockey as his only sport at age 18. He owns every league he has played in.

 

[Spazkat]

They're similar sized RHD both 22 and Montour is in the AHL and Carrick the NHL. Carrick was drafted in the 5th rd. in his first year of eligibility, while Montour was passed over twice, before being selected in the 2nd rd. You could argue Carrick was one of the best players in last years AHL playoff run with 18pts in 15gms. He had the privilege of playing on a stacked Marlies team and out performed them all. It's likely that if he was a Marlie he'd have comparable production to Montour's this season.

Carrick is clearly the more physical player. They're both good PP options and still works in progress when it come to the defensive side of the game. They'd battle for 2nd pairing RHD on the Leafs, the other would be on the 3rd pairing.

Maybe a bit off topic but.... I've always wondered why people put much stock in when they were drafted once you're a year or 2 out. They throw around "he was a 1st round pick" like that has any bearing at all on the player that they are now. Some live up to their draft hype, some don't - some exceed it. Its a sunk cost that has no relevance (or rather it does for some reason, but shouldnt).

Back on topic, you say "Carrick is in the NHL" like they were battling for the same spot and only one made it. Apples and oranges with the 2 teams relative defensive depths. The rest is pure speculation - with Carrick using a miniscule sample size to try to prove a point- doing well in 15 games does not make you the best player in the AHL" try again. Besides, if you really thought they were essentially the same player except with Carrick being more physical you'd have no interest in Montour. You wouldn't need him. You want him because you recognize he's a significant upgrade

 

[Ducks Nation*]

If Carrick was on the Ducks he would be behind Montour, Theodore, Larsson, Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen, Stoner, Bieksa, Manson, Depres

 

[KaseMeOutside]

They're similar sized RHD both 22 and Montour is in the AHL and Carrick the NHL.

Yeah and where would they be if the roles were reversed?

Carrick was drafted in the 5th rd. in his first year of eligibility, while Montour was passed over twice, before being selected in the 2nd rd.

draft position seems irrelevant at this point.

You could argue Carrick was one of the best players in last years AHL playoff run with 18pts in 15gms. He had the privilege of playing on a stacked Marlies team and out performed them all. It's likely that if he was a Marlie he'd have comparable production to Montour's this season.

Montour was at worst the 2nd best dman in the AHL last season, seeing as he was voted first team all AHL, he is the best dman this year, and arguably best player in the league. Montour has played 5 games and leads the entire AHL in SOG, not just dmen, all players. It's yet another sign that he is dominating games.

Carrick is clearly the more physical player. They're both good PP options and still works in progress when it come to the defensive side of the game. They'd battle for 2nd pairing RHD on the Leafs, the other would be on the 3rd pairing.

no matter how hard you try they are not comps, no gm in the league would take carrick over montour at this stage in their developments

 

[Magic Man]

Maybe a bit off topic but.... I've always wondered why people put much stock in when they were drafted once you're a year or 2 out. They throw around "he was a 1st round pick" like that has any bearing at all on the player that they are now. Some live up to their draft hype, some don't - some exceed it. Its a sunk cost that has no relevance (or rather it does for some reason, but shouldnt).

Back on topic, you say "Carrick is in the NHL" like they were battling for the same spot and only one made it. Apples and oranges with the 2 teams relative defensive depths. The rest is pure speculation - with Carrick using a miniscule sample size to try to prove a point- doing well in 15 games does not make you the best player in the AHL" try again. Besides, if you really thought they were essentially the same player except with Carrick being more physical you'd have no interest in Montour. You wouldn't need him. You want him because you recognize he's a significant upgrade

I said that and yet also said that if Montour was in Toronto he'd be in the NHL in a competition for 2nd pairing and a lock for the 3rd pairing.

Montour's 5 game sample size this season isn't a great basis to claim someone the best defenseman and player in the AHL, either. Let's see him go over PPG over the course of a half or full season.

I don't want him because I see him as a significant upgrade over Carrick. I want him because Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada and the Ducks resigned Lindholm without moving Fowler and there aren't many realistic options available. The Leafs could use an upgrade over the other 4 of 8 dmen that are AHL caliber in order to help them push for a spot this season. The Ducks could use some cap room even if they can fit it all in for now. Win, win.

Carrick nor Montour are locks for being a quality top-4 D long-term. But, it's possible and they're better than what the Leafs currently have in house. 2 shots is better than one.

 

[duxfan8]

I have what I think is a somewhat logical trade idea between the Leafs and Ducks.

Ducks receive:
Brooks Laich 50%

Leafs receive:
Stoner
2nd/Pettersson

I think it works out to a minimal savings cap wise for Anaheim while keeping Toronto under the cap too. Toronto wouldn't have so much deadweight and get a decent prospect or early pick. Laich seems to be Carlyle's type of player and could help revive his career. Would that work from a Toronto perspective?

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

brandon leipsic and josh leivo is what TO can offer. Leispic is most likely Torontos first call up. He is young but is a responsible two way player with some upside. Then there's leivo with more of a scoring touch. Oh we also have kerby rychel. So we have a few young Lw's if you need a one in the top 9.