Value of: Top-9 forward (LW) to Anaheim

[Spazkat]

I think these deals are off in value a bit, but like the general idea behind them.

What if the trade was JVR@25% retained + Kapanen for Montour+Pettersson+Stoner?
JVR has some good value on a fair deal, and Kapanen is a good prospect who's tearing up the AHL as a 20 year old.

The idea was to maybe trade ONE of the D prospects for top 6 forward. Not drain the prospect pool to give to TOR- especially for what... 1 more full year of JVR? Also not sold on Kapanen. He was a throw in on the Kessel deal now you guys don't want him either. Not exactly a prized piece there....

 

[Beckett]

I don't think there's a chance Theo is traded, barring an over-payment. He's just what the Ducks need and elevates his game at the NHL level. Also has a couple seasons of ELC which is key.

Montour is a tough one to trade as well since he's dominated offensively everywhere he's been, somewhat unprecedented how well he's adjusted to all the leagues he's played in.

Larsson might be the most likely just because he's a bit more redundant with Hampus and Fowler, assuming we keep him. That being said, we'd be most interested in trading him for a forward with top 6 skill that will not need to be protected in the draft.

Vatanen would be my pick to move if it meant getting a young ELC forward we could slot in right away. I like Sami but that 5 million cap hit makes him expendable with Montour on the cusp with an ELC and not having to be protected.

 

[TML1967]

I'd accept as a ducks fan rather easily. Stoner's negative value (suggested to cost roughly two 2nds) isn't far off from Pettersson's actual value. I think TML side would want Montour swapped with Theodore. His 2-way game has a lot more upside and his ceiling is higher than any of their other prospects.

If it's JVR@25% + Kapanen for Theo + Pettersson + Stoner I'd still be pretty interested from Duck POV. Their blueline + prospect pool would still be elite minus those two both short and long term, they add a much needed quality fwd prospect and JVR to shoot for the cup for 2 years. Toronto gets a legit blue-chip D prospect, another quality D prospect and a hard nosed guy that can play 3rd pair well this year.

Only issue I have from TML side is they'd have a rather logjam on the back-end body wise. Carrick/Corrado would be sent down, Hunwick idk. They could roll with:

Rielly Zaitsev
Theodore Marincin
Gardiner Polak
Stoner #7.


Whether its JVR, Komarov, etc. there's a trade here that can help both sides a lot. TML with Bozak, Kadri, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, have enough firepower to part with a fwd or two (especially soon to be UFAs) to address a major need in a big way.

As a Leafs fan, id do that trade. Only reason I think Montour may be the target is he is a RHD and Babs love D on their 'proper' side.

Obviously would love to overpay for both, but not sure Anaheim wants to loose both.

JVR@50% + Kapanen+2nd rounder for Larsson + Montour + Stoner?

 

[darkwingduck]

As a Leafs fan, id do that trade. Only reason I think Montour may be the target is he is a RHD and Babs love D on their 'proper' side.

Obviously would love to overpay for both, but not sure Anaheim wants to loose both.

JVR@50% + Kapanen+2nd rounder for Larsson + Montour + Stoner?

Yeah, I doubt Anaheim would ever trade two of Theodore, Montour, Larsson, especially in the same deal.
Rather just take out parts from both sides.

 

[Ducks in a row]

As a Leafs fan, id do that trade. Only reason I think Montour may be the target is he is a RHD and Babs love D on their 'proper' side.

Obviously would love to overpay for both, but not sure Anaheim wants to loose both.

JVR@50% + Kapanen+2nd rounder for Larsson + Montour + Stoner?

We are not trading multiple of our good young defenseman prospects.

 

[Beckett]

As a Leafs fan, id do that trade. Only reason I think Montour may be the target is he is a RHD and Babs love D on their 'proper' side.

Obviously would love to overpay for both, but not sure Anaheim wants to loose both.

JVR@50% + Kapanen+2nd rounder for Theo + Montour + Stoner?

No chance both of these guys get moved. If for no other reason but them being cost controlled and expansion exempt.

 

[McMatthews]

James van Riemsdyk + Frank Corrado

FOR

Brandon Montour + Josh Manson + Clayton Stoner

 

[TML1967]

The idea was to maybe trade ONE of the D prospects for top 6 forward. Not drain the prospect pool to give to TOR- especially for what... 1 more full year of JVR? Also not sold on Kapanen. He was a throw in on the Kessel deal now you guys don't want him either. Not exactly a prized piece there....

Kapanen as a underage AHL player = 34th best ppg ever.
This year, 9 points in 6 games playing on the 2nd PP and 1st PK.

I put him in deals because I think he has real value.

 

[ChaseANA]

James van Riemsdyk + Frank Corrado

FOR

Brandon Montour + Josh Manson + Clayton Stoner

Manson is not going anywhere.

 

[Ducks in a row]

James van Riemsdyk + Frank Corrado

FOR

Brandon Montour + Josh Manson + Clayton Stoner

Manson isn't being traded makes too little and is a good support defense partner. Also have no interest in acquiring Carrado we don't need any defenseman.

 

[McMatthews]

Manson is not going anywhere.

You're going to either lose him to Las Vegas or free agency.

I can see the Maple Leafs targetting Montour and/or Manson.

Manson's dad played for Toronto and was an absolutely gritty mofo.

 

[Ducks in a row]

You're going to either lose him to Las Vegas or free agency.

I can see the Maple Leafs targetting Montour and/or Manson.

Manson's dad played for Toronto and was an absolutely gritty mofo.

Buy out Bieksa before expansion so he doesn't us expansion protection spot. Protect Lindholm and Vatanen. Protect Fowler or trade him if protect Fowler we can make a deal with Las Vegas not to pick Manson in expansion draft. He is still RFA when his contract expires.

 

[McMatthews]

Buy out Bieksa before expansion so he doesn't us expansion protection spot. Protect Lindholm and Vatanen. Protect Fowler or trade him if protect Fowler we can make a deal with Las Vegas not to pick Manson in expansion draft. He is still RFA when his contract expires.

Buying out Bieksa doesn't help at all.

According to Cap Friendly, Anaheim's cap hit would be the exact same over the next 2 seasons. Even with the buyout.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/kevin-bieksa

 

[Ducks in a row]

Buying out Bieksa doesn't help at all.

According to Cap Friendly, Anaheim's cap hit would be the exact same over the next 2 seasons. Even with the buyout.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/kevin-bieksa

We buy him out so we don't have to protect him in expansion draft that is if he won't waive for expansion.

 

[McMatthews]

We buy him out so we don't have to protect him in expansion draft that is if he won't waive for expansion.

You might have to do that but it wouldn't affect Josh Manson.

They're going to protect Lindholm, Fowler and Vatanen ahead of Manson.

Unless they buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen. That's the only way to keep Manson.

 

[Ducks in a row]

You might have to do that but it wouldn't affect Josh Manson.

They're going to protect Lindholm, Fowler and Vatanen ahead of Manson.

Unless they buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen. That's the only way to keep Manson.

We could keep Manson by offering something to Las Vegas not to take him. That is what we should do instead of trading him.

 

[McMatthews]

We could keep Manson by offering something to Las Vegas not to take him. That is what we should do instead of trading him.

Then you're going to give him $2.5M+ as a RFA?

He's not going to make less than that.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Then you're going to give him $2.5M+ as a RFA?

He's not going to make less than that.

Sure I would be happy with that amount per year when his current contract is up. By then Stoner contract is done as well as Bieksa who will waive so that he doesn't get bought out.

 

[Apotheosis]

JVR for Montour+ Stoner? Can move another guy down to be the third line guy and then move JVR into your top 6?

 

[Ducks in a row]

JVR for Montour+ Stoner? Can move another guy down to be the third line guy and then move JVR into your top 6?

I don't think Toronto would do that. If Ducks got JVR could have Ritchie playing on line 3 with Vermette and Rakell.

 

[Apotheosis]

I don't think Toronto would do that. If Ducks got JVR could have Ritchie playing on line 3 with Vermette and Rakell.

From my perspective as a Leaf fan, I wouldn't mind it. Maybe a 2nd coming back from you guys. JVR is great for his value and especially on a team like the Ducks, would be a guarantee for 30 goals a season. But when this rebuild is over, he'll be too old. He fits right in with the "compete now" timeline of the Ducks. Him or Kadri to me was always going to be the piece going away at some point for a RHD.

 

[10Ducky10]

Dano for Larsson?

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Dano for Larsson?

Nope

 

[dracom]

Dano for Larsson?

Larsson has more value than Dano.

 

[Spazkat]

You might have to do that but it wouldn't affect Josh Manson.

They're going to protect Lindholm, Fowler and Vatanen ahead of Manson.

Unless they buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen. That's the only way to keep Manson.

The expectation is that Bieksa will either waive or be bought out, Fowler traded and the 3 protection slots going to Lindholm, Vatanen and Manson. Given the situation now its possible that they are looking at going the 8 skaters route and protecting Fowler, but I rather doubt that as it would mean leaving Silfverberg exposed.