Value of: Top-9 forward (LW) to Anaheim

[RedMenace]

Fowler is off the market. Lindholm took less so that we could keep him. Gonna be a little bit of wait for the Ducks D to be back on the market, I'd think. Maybe something shakes loose closer to the TDL. Barring that, I assume there will at least be a little movement in the summer.

Gotta pay to play, man.

How about Tomas Tatar for Fowler as a base? I hate to give up Tats, but Fowler would be right up the Wings' alley.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Gotta pay to play, man.

How about Tomas Tatar for Fowler as a base? I hate to give up Tats, but Fowler would be right up the Wings' alley.

With how good Fowler has been this season and how Tatar has 1 goal and 1 assist in 8 games most likely that ship has sailed.

 

[RedMenace]

With how good Fowler has been this season and how Tatar has 1 goal and 1 assist in 8 games most likely that ship has sailed.

It's only a matter of time before Tatar starts lighting it up. He's been dynamic, all over the place, and trying his damndest to score; it just hasn't been going in.

Yet.

 

[dracom]

What type of 3rd line LW? Big, strong checking forward? 2 way guy? Someone with offensive upside?

I would like someone who has offensive upside. We have plenty of the big, strong checking forwards and two way forwards, but we lack in guys who can create offense of their own. Or maybe just someone who can actually make our odd man rushes an actual threat.

 

[Exit Dose]

It's only a matter of time before Tatar starts lighting it up. He's been dynamic, all over the place, and trying his damndest to score; it just hasn't been going in.

Yet.

I don't disagree that Tatar is going to turn it around, but Fowler is off the market for the near future at least.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I said that and yet also said that if Montour was in Toronto he'd be in the NHL in a competition for 2nd pairing and a lock for the 3rd pairing.

Montour's 5 game sample size this season isn't a great basis to claim someone the best defenseman and player in the AHL, either. Let's see him go over PPG over the course of a half or full season.

I don't want him because I see him as a significant upgrade over Carrick. I want him because Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada and the Ducks resigned Lindholm without moving Fowler and there aren't many realistic options available. The Leafs could use an upgrade over the other 4 of 8 dmen that are AHL caliber in order to help them push for a spot this season. The Ducks could use some cap room even if they can fit it all in for now. Win, win.

Carrick nor Montour are locks for being a quality top-4 D long-term. But, it's possible and they're better than what the Leafs currently have in house. 2 shots is better than one.

He nearly did it last year, he has an entire body of work you can look at

 

[liquiduck]

Gotta pay to play, man.

How about Tomas Tatar for Fowler as a base? I hate to give up Tats, but Fowler would be right up the Wings' alley.

I don't see it happening this year. Plus I don't see Tatar as a player we target anymore. Anaheim needs cost controlled forwards. Martha would be the starting base. Which is consistent of the tumors we've heard between Anaheim and Detriot. Either way I don't see a deal happening now until after this year.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

I said that and yet also said that if Montour was in Toronto he'd be in the NHL in a competition for 2nd pairing and a lock for the 3rd pairing.

Montour's 5 game sample size this season isn't a great basis to claim someone the best defenseman and player in the AHL, either. Let's see him go over PPG over the course of a half or full season.

I don't want him because I see him as a significant upgrade over Carrick. I want him because Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada and the Ducks resigned Lindholm without moving Fowler and there aren't many realistic options available. The Leafs could use an upgrade over the other 4 of 8 dmen that are AHL caliber in order to help them push for a spot this season. The Ducks could use some cap room even if they can fit it all in for now. Win, win.

Carrick nor Montour are locks for being a quality top-4 D long-term. But, it's possible and they're better than what the Leafs currently have in house. 2 shots is better than one.

10 more SOG, 42 SOG in 6 games as defensemen.

 

[Magic Man]

He nearly did it last year, he has an entire body of work you can look at

Carrick didn't start playing hockey during last years playoffs either.

57 points in 68 games isn't PPG.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I have what I think is a somewhat logical trade idea between the Leafs and Ducks.

Ducks receive:
Brooks Laich 50%

Leafs receive:
Stoner
2nd/Pettersson

I think it works out to a minimal savings cap wise for Anaheim while keeping Toronto under the cap too. Toronto wouldn't have so much deadweight and get a decent prospect or early pick. Laich seems to be Carlyle's type of player and could help revive his career. Would that work from a Toronto perspective?

Laich is done as NHLer and he wouldn't help the Ducks.

However, substitute Milan Michalek who can still be a good 3rd line LW. He was good in the World Cup and even at the start of the year (if the expectation is to only have him play 13-15 minutes in a 3rd line role).

 

[duxfan8]

Laich is done as NHLer and he wouldn't help the Ducks.

However, substitute Milan Michalek who can still be a good 3rd line LW. He was good in the World Cup and even at the start of the year (if the expectation is to only have him play 13-15 minutes in a 3rd line role).

Either or. They both make 4 mil, although Michalek's cap hit is less (since it's actually 4 mil vs. Laich's 4.5). I really could care less either way. It helps solve an issue for the Ducks, being that we need to free up a dman spot for Theodore. For the Leafs, I don't know if the purpose is strong enough. They kill some of their dead weight (if Stoner were to stay in the NHL) and have a minimal increase for this season's cap. Gives them an easy expansion team giveaway, too. Just don't know if next year is a dealbreaker since Stoner is still signed.

 

[Ksh42]

Would there a deal to be made around Spooner from Boston and Fowler, obviously with a "+" (2017 BOS 1st/ 2017 EDM 2nd perhaps?) coming from Boston?

 

[Henkka]

With how good Fowler has been this season and how Tatar has 1 goal and 1 assist in 8 games most likely that ship has sailed.

Tatar has just had bad puck luck. He has most scoring chances from Red Wings at this season.

He scored 5+1 in 9 World Cup games (included exhibitions).

It's really naive to suspect that he has suddenly become a bad goalscorer.

 

[dracom]

Tatar has just had bad puck luck. He has most scoring chances from Red Wings at this season.

He scored 5+1 in 9 World Cup games (included exhibitions).

It's really naive to suspect that he has suddenly become a bad goalscorer.

There's still risk, one we don't need to make right now. Fowler is our best defenseman, and since Lindholm signed for what he did so the core can stay together, there's no way Fowler moves.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Tatar has just had bad puck luck. He has most scoring chances from Red Wings at this season.

He scored 5+1 in 9 World Cup games (included exhibitions).

It's really naive to suspect that he has suddenly become a bad goalscorer.

What someone does in the world cup vs. NHL are totally different things. Tatar has been struggling this year to produce while Fowler is looking great and producing well. No way do I make that trade unless Tatar starts producing as well as Fowler has and even then I probably still wouldn't do it now.

Would there a deal to be made around Spooner from Boston and Fowler, obviously with a "+" (2017 BOS 1st/ 2017 EDM 2nd perhaps?) coming from Boston?

Before the season might have done it but not now.

 

[Zippy316]

Reid Boucher makes too much sense here and would come pretty cheap -- third round pick most likely.

 

[M2Beezy]

Sven Baertchi of interest?

 

[crowi]

Sven Baertchi of interest?

no.
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[ilovemarkmessier]

Ducks got Lindholm and Rakell settled and Despres is on LTIR for probably the entire season. They need another top-9 forward, especially when they're going for it and making owners spend to the cap. It also doesn't discount the fact they have a ton of good defensive prospects and Fowler's chances of being extended grow by the moment. He's been really good.

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There's a pretty clear need here, either an ELC/low contract RFA or an impending UFA in the next few years. Ducks have to offer: Theodore, Montour, Larsson, Pettersson. Some very good defensive prospects.

If your player has over ~1.5m contract (otherwise sending Stoner to AHL makes it work), Stoner has to come with it and Ducks add assets accordingly. Who's out there aside from the already beaten to death proposals like JVR? Doesn't necessarily need to be top-6. A good 3rd line LW will do as well.

Hagelin would fit perfect there. Should have held on to him

 

[Ducks in a row]

Hagelin would fit perfect there. Should have held on to him

Things didn't work well with him when we had him. If we had him still it would effect our cap and we would have a different roster. Trading him like we did was a good thing.

 

[Sojourn]

Hagelin would fit perfect there. Should have held on to him

If Hagelin had been a good fit, he would still be here. He was terrible here, and completely ineffective.

Trust me. We saw the difference with him in Pittsburgh, and it pissed us off. Perron was a welcome change. I don't know why he fit in Pittsburgh, and not here, but he didn't fit here.

 

[ChaseANA]

Reid Boucher makes too much sense here and would come pretty cheap -- third round pick most likely.

Is that really all it would take? I thought Devils' fans were high on him.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Reid Boucher makes too much sense here and would come pretty cheap -- third round pick most likely.

I guess the Despres for Boucher deal we agreed to no longer works. I like Boucher's scoring potential, at some point I do think we need to add another veteran top 9 winger but for the time being there's room to give a guy like that a chance.

What's his current waiver status?

 

[Kalv]

It's only a matter of time before Tatar starts lighting it up. He's been dynamic, all over the place, and trying his damndest to score; it just hasn't been going in.

Yet.

Good story man, but then we can give you Bieksa. He has been good, all over the place and it is just a matter of time before he reaches his form of few years back

Fowler is off the market and even if he wouldn`t, the + for Tatar would better be foken significant

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Good story man, but then we can give you Bieksa. He has been good, all over the place and it is just a matter of time before he reaches his form of few years back

Fowler is off the market and even if he wouldn`t, the + for Tatar would better be foken significant

Right now considering the d market and Fowler start it would take Tatar + mantha/AA for Fowler to spark my interest, which I understand if wings want no part of but if teams didn't want to pay the price at the draft for Fowler, it's likely increased, so I doubt they want the new price.



Fowler has always seemed to play his best under Carlyle