Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III
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What is the impetus for Gorton to put himself in a zero cap space situation to accommodate DeAngelo? Again, there are no deals to be made out there. NO ONE is trading for Nametsnikov or Strome. Not right now, with the salary that they are commanding.
As I doubt that the Rangers make the playoffs this year and it is still a developmental year, who cares?
Gorton needs to "soften up" because..........why, exactly? Who the frig' is Tony DeAngelo? What has he done that demonstrates that he is a part of the future and a player that Gorton should soften for?
One track gets DeAngelo into the best position for next year and a contract that he wants. One track can put him out of the NHL within a few years. Would you rather be in the NHL or playing out the rest of your career in Europe?
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
From what I understand this team right now has better options at RD than Tony D, so if I'm right, (I'm sure if I'm wrong, I'll hear it from you guys LOL) he's an idiot for sitting out and not fighting for his roster spot right now. He's as good as gone in my book. I'd rather lose Tony D so we have some cap space to give to Kreider to get him locked up.
That is not the question that I asked you. Please address what was actually queried about.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
My post was extremely sarcastic but yes, that is true.
I think he's being really foolish right now.
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you don't tug on Superman's cape
you don't spit into the wind
you don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
and you don't hold out for more money when the team doesn't have any more money to give you
you don't spit into the wind
you don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
and you don't hold out for more money when the team doesn't have any more money to give you
NYRFANMANI
Department of Rempe Safety Management
In any case I'm getting a little worried. Rangers seems adamant, which is bad. The offer made is just not remotely fair to ADA.*
Tony also seems adamant. Which ultimately only hurts the trade value for the Rangers! IF freaking Pionk can get 3m/y from his new team, ADA is gonna easily get that next season, if he plays anything from 40-82 games. I'm saying that ADA's value and next contract will not be determined by the next two months. Only if he doesn't play and the Rangers want to trade him, this situation lower the value for us.
Worst case scenario FOR THE RANGERS: Tony remains unsigned, gets traded for a bag of pucks and goes on to do his thing.
There is no other negative outcome to anyone associated. Some team will jump no matter the attitude.**
*not gonna argue this any further. There is two camps and imo the "ADA has no leverage"-camp has no arguments. They just keep repeating their claim, that ADA can't warrant a raise, like a mantra. Or they whatabout Labanc or some other dude that played well but signed a team friendly deal.
** December 1st obviously changes the situation for ADA. Worst case scenario for ADA, he remains unsigned until Dec 1st. He has to play this season.
Tony also seems adamant. Which ultimately only hurts the trade value for the Rangers! IF freaking Pionk can get 3m/y from his new team, ADA is gonna easily get that next season, if he plays anything from 40-82 games. I'm saying that ADA's value and next contract will not be determined by the next two months. Only if he doesn't play and the Rangers want to trade him, this situation lower the value for us.
Worst case scenario FOR THE RANGERS: Tony remains unsigned, gets traded for a bag of pucks and goes on to do his thing.
There is no other negative outcome to anyone associated. Some team will jump no matter the attitude.**
*not gonna argue this any further. There is two camps and imo the "ADA has no leverage"-camp has no arguments. They just keep repeating their claim, that ADA can't warrant a raise, like a mantra. Or they whatabout Labanc or some other dude that played well but signed a team friendly deal.
** December 1st obviously changes the situation for ADA. Worst case scenario for ADA, he remains unsigned until Dec 1st. He has to play this season.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Better options? Outside of Trouba I think it's fair to say ADA is our best defenseman so I don't think there are any better options. Maybe Fox changes that but for now? Doubt it.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
i think many here have never been involved in substantive negotiations. the process isnt take this or leave. thats not negotiating.
and for the record, there are exactly ZERO better options than tony D at RD right now. ZERO.
there may be options, but there are ZERO better options.
sorry
and for the record, there are exactly ZERO better options than tony D at RD right now. ZERO.
there may be options, but there are ZERO better options.
sorry
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Fair has nothing to do with it. Since when is everything in life fair? The reality of his situation is very clear. The team is able to offer him X and no more. He either takes X, or he sits out, hurting his chance at a better contract next year.
Torey Krug held out after his ELC, coming off a 40 point season, and ended up signing a 1 year deal for 1.4 million because that was all Boston had to give him. Argue all you want about how much Tony deserves, but it doesn't change the fact that we don't have enough cap space to give him more.
haveandare
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There's also ZERO way to give him the money wants. He needs to play for what they can pay him.
And Trouba is better than him. Fox is unknown. Doubtful he's as good as ADA this year, but he's billed as a similar type of player and he's done everything so far to indicate he's ready for this level.
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Are you just willfully ignoring that the Rangers are up against the cap and can't afford to give him more money? What's left to negotiate?
Actually, I heard Dubi was a royal pain.
ADA missing time, or even the season, may cost the Rangers a few positions in the standings in a year where its not going to matter.
ADA missing time, or even the season, may cost a player who's struggled through numerous opportunities to land a full-time NHL gig, millions of dollars.
An extended holdout is a terrible move for Tony, and hardly moves the needle for the team in the scheme of things
ADA missing time, or even the season, may cost a player who's struggled through numerous opportunities to land a full-time NHL gig, millions of dollars.
An extended holdout is a terrible move for Tony, and hardly moves the needle for the team in the scheme of things
offdacrossbar
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im sorry playing professional hockey for the NYR- and especially in a top 4 d role, for "whatever they can pay you" is beyond nutso.
do you take a job for "whatever they can pay you" ??
thats not the way things work.
i see both sides here. tony is being low balled big time. lowballed because of lack of cap or lowballed because the offer wont budge is still lowballed.
same difference.
and i think we can all agree trouba is a more complete player than tony. i think we were talking after jake there arent many better options. thanks though.
That is absolutely not the art of the deal.
McDonald's: As a fry cook you'll earn $15/hour.
Fry Cook: I want $65/hour.
McDonad's: Let's meet in the middle for $40/hour and move on.
And what exactly would be wrong with that? I doubt they could be worse than Smith.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
i think brisson will be using krug as a benchmark in this negotiation. similar situation.
925 is a joke. its rook minimum
Paulie Walnutz
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Crease
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My guess is the Rangers gave DeAngelo a "take it or leave it" offer above his qualifier but below his ask, and now he's waiting to see if it's a true "take it or leave it." The wait and see is part of the negotiating process, definitely. I just don't like it from DeAngelo's perspective and if he were my client I would advise him that the upside of a marginally better deal is not worth the risk of burning a third bridge in three years.
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Rykov and Keane need to be playing, not sitting in the stands.
Also, knowing how TDA's personality is, they shouldn't have let it get to this point with him. Maybe they could have gotten away with it if it was another player, but not with TDA. Situation just stinks all around.
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offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
thats kinda dumb really. perhaps beyond even. i need to bleach my eyes after reading this.
look at what similar players earn with similar numbers. its not that tough to find evidence that 925 is a low ball offer.
your example lacks credibility.
i think he signs for 1.4 mil. now its up to JG to be creative.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Funny how you look at this from Tony's and his agent's perspective only. No thought given to the perspective of the other players/their agents.
"Sorry, dude, you had to go, so I could give Tony your money. That's why I traded you all the way across the continent to Edmonton for a 7th and a bag of pucks." Great message.
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