Sorry but the idea that you split everything in 2 does not work in reality. Nobody does this.
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III
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offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
correct but in the eyes of the ADA camp, its rook minimum.
offering fox and ADA the same salary is an insult to ADA.
dont kid yourself, thats how the ADA camp views this.
he needs to get a reasonable offer that allows him to save face and allows the organization to get him on the ice.
Rongomania
I use my Kakko jersey as pajamas now.
To your query sir, I direct you to this:
(This is why I believe we should bend a little and I feel some folks around here have been more pissy about him over the deal),
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
the process by which things are bought and sold is exactly this way.
its called negotiations.
tony can always choose to accept or reject the offer and the nyr can always choose to up the offer.
its dumb for his career but seems he and his people think its a hill worth dying on.
You want promising rookies not playing any time as 7th defensemen? That is good for their development?
"Splitting the difference" is not what's done in negotiations. Sometimes there's give and take and sometimes there's a firm "take it or leave it" offer so oversimplifying the process to this extent is ridiculous.
That is still not answering the question that I asked you. I asked you to pick which of Keane or Rykov you want spending each not not playing as a 7th defenseman?
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It's the rookie maximum, actually, and you are still ignoring the fact that the Rangers can't afford to pay him that.
If I don't like what company A is offering, I can submit my resume to company B and hope they will offer more. It doesn't mean they will, but I have the option of choosing. ADA doesn't have that option, but he also stands to make a hell of a lot more money than I do. That's the rules established and agreed upon by the NHL and NHLPA. Lots of players dealt with it before ADA, and lots more will after.
"Whatever they can pay you" happens all the time in the business world. Have you ever gotten less than the maximum raise, or no raise at all, not because of your performance, but because the company couldn't afford to give you more? Have you ever not gotten a bonus because the company couldn't afford to give them out that year? Have you ever lost your job due to downsizing or a company going out of business?
Fair or not, Tony doesn't have a choice, and holding out isn't going to change that.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
the 7th man is smith. thats prob a given. an overpaid 7th for sure but thats his spot.
theres no way young kids are a 7th man. wont happen
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
In the right moment maybe I'll increase to an even 1M.
For now, he can sit on his 925K offer .
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
If a company says to you, all we have is $x to pay you. You either take it and get paid or you dig in and hope that they find no one better than you and feel like they need you to pay you Y. Or you decide that instead of working in a company very few get to work in and flipping burgers is a better career move.
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I was going to be a 2nd pair defenseman but I got high
Now instead of playing hockey, I drive an Uber and I don't know why
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There is a reason why teams do not hold the feet of every young player without leverage to the fire and its the same reason they avoid like the plague actually sitting through arbitration, because of it tendency to breed contention in future negotiations.
My guess is its one or both of: ADA asking for something unreasonable or the Rangers not viewing him as long term piece that they need to worry about pissing off.
I think ADA should just sign, but without knowing the particulars its hard to fully rule or rule out whether the Rangers are acting stupidly. If its just the latter then the Rangers run the risk of not just damaging the on-ice product by not having one of their better D's in the lineup but also asset mismanagement.
My guess is its one or both of: ADA asking for something unreasonable or the Rangers not viewing him as long term piece that they need to worry about pissing off.
I think ADA should just sign, but without knowing the particulars its hard to fully rule or rule out whether the Rangers are acting stupidly. If its just the latter then the Rangers run the risk of not just damaging the on-ice product by not having one of their better D's in the lineup but also asset mismanagement.
LORDE
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If ADA and the NYR are playing by the same set of rules (as laid out in the CBA) then Gorton does have the ability (or the right if you wanna say it that way) to present a take it or leave it offer and ADA must do one or the other or sit out a year and end up in the same place.
It's fairly black and white.
It's fairly black and white.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
buchnevich got 3.2 for 2
even pionk got paid
the ADA camp wont sign now. giving the team time to find some cap. make room for an important player. show me the money !!!!
its starting to become clearer. ADA camp feels hes worth more and they are probably dead on. not his fault the $$ wasnt allotted. a 2 yr bridge @ 2.5 would be the right play. $$ not there but we know thats the right play here.
nyr feels they have in house options. show me ?
we shall see
even pionk got paid
the ADA camp wont sign now. giving the team time to find some cap. make room for an important player. show me the money !!!!
its starting to become clearer. ADA camp feels hes worth more and they are probably dead on. not his fault the $$ wasnt allotted. a 2 yr bridge @ 2.5 would be the right play. $$ not there but we know thats the right play here.
nyr feels they have in house options. show me ?
we shall see
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but I see no reason why the Rangers should bend over backwards to appease ADA -- especially based on 1/2 season of work. Is he the lynch pin that will make the defense work? I think not. I honestly don't think they D will be that different with or without him.
Rangers can't offer him what they can't afford and/or don't have....and it's not like this is news to anyone, including ADA.
But, again, all of this is speculation as we don't know what the specific terms being offered are and/or what demands the ADA camp is demanding.
Rangers can't offer him what they can't afford and/or don't have....and it's not like this is news to anyone, including ADA.
But, again, all of this is speculation as we don't know what the specific terms being offered are and/or what demands the ADA camp is demanding.
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
Not for nothing but I don't think 132 NHL games gives you a lot of leverage. ???
Especially when he seems to want to get paid for the work done in 60 of them.
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They were both arbitration eligible, which ADA will be next year.
haveandare
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He's part of the PA playing under a CBA they agreed to. The rules of that CBA are playing a pretty big role in him needing to take this specific offer. It's not "whatever they can pay you," it's "whatever you have leverage to negotiate within the rules of the CBA that your union agreed to and the fixed budget of the only organization you're allowed to sign with."
The comparison to most other jobs in terms of taking whatever they can offer doesn't really hold because the rules TDA and NYR are operating under are different from those in most other jobs. If a company gives me an offer that is too low, but is all they are allowed to give me for whatever reason, I can pass on that offer. I can do that because I can then go to a different company and try to get a better offer. DeAngelo can't do this. That isn't the way things work in our world, but it is very much the way things work in the NHL. This exact scenario doesn't occur all that often, but it has happened before and it's created by the rules that TDA and NYR mutually agreed to work under plus some fairly unique circumstances like NYR's cap situation and TDA having his first very good season, but one he was scratched in often due to some nagging questions.
So, yeah, he's being offered less than he could get in different circumstances but these are the circumstances he's in.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
adam fox has exactly how many nhl games played ?? hmmm..???
and he and ADA will make the same $$ this season.
somethings
wrong
here
if im brisson, im getting the "We dont want you anymore" vibes here.
so, the guy whos been with the company for 2 years is making X and has shown the ability to perform and produce. the new guy, unproven and green, shows up and is paid the same exact money. you are the first guy. you ok with that ??
you have to negotiate until it becomes personal. it is business thats true, but this isnt negotiating, its strong arm low balling.
but, but, but.... theres no more money !!!......
find some or trade me or i sit out.
if its gonna happen, this is the hothead it will happen with.
Edge
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I don't get the sense the we are past the point of no return or that everything is about hurt feelings.
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