Crease
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I think what we're seeing is an employer not keen on doing a favor for an employee that's given them headaches in the past.
Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III
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I think what we're seeing is an employer not keen on doing a favor for an employee that's given them headaches in the past.
I can't believe he's holding out for term...he could easily get that next season with a nice bump in pay to match....I'm now wondering if he's holding out for one of those "clauses" we've come to despise so much.
Thirty One
Safe is safe.
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If you mean NTC/NMC, the Rangers aren't allowed to give him either until the 2023-24 season.
MyLoveIsBlue
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ADA clearly has a hard time fitting in anywhere. He is sensitive and fragile. It might be as simple as he just really does not want to be here anymore. Maybe something he feels real or imagined. Coach, GM, who knows. ADA just has an edge even he might not be able to control. What a shame. I want him on the team as I enjoy his play on the ice. He plays to a different drummer.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I'm sorry... what? The Rangers got the best defensive prospect not playing in the NHL (according to some people) without giving up so much as a 1st and Carolina exerted leverage on them?
Also, how do any of you know what numbers have been discussed? I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Rangers had in fact offered $50-200K more, and Tony is still holding out for millions more. I mean, given the histories of the two parties, you're assuming Gorts has been intractable and Tony's the one being reasonable...?!?
Edge
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Rangers got fair market prices or better in all of their exports, and did very well for themselves when it came to imports.
Obviously, no one knows how the deals will ultimately turn out. But the trades are about as good as one can expect.
The only trade I feel a tinge of disappointment about is Zucc; but that’s also a result of how close it came to being more.
Having said that, I think there’s a distinct possibility Robertson would’ve been the pick in the 20s anyway.
Obviously, no one knows how the deals will ultimately turn out. But the trades are about as good as one can expect.
The only trade I feel a tinge of disappointment about is Zucc; but that’s also a result of how close it came to being more.
Having said that, I think there’s a distinct possibility Robertson would’ve been the pick in the 20s anyway.
I think they had Robertson ranked in the 20's. He probably would have been the pick anyway like you said.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Agreed. One of the things I really like about Gorts (and this has developed over time), is that he doesn't seem to be always looking to screw the other guy; rather, he has no problems making what the other side perceives as fair deals... so long as he gets his principal target. Not looking to make enemies; looking to do business to the benefit of his team – over the long haul.
And if it happens to be the Zibanejad trade... hey, no complaining that the other team valued cash and the hometown boy over actual hockey value (and/or they mis-scouted their own player).
Edge
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I haven’t talked too many people since the draft - they take their vacations and I’ve been SWAMPED with work. But I do know the Rangers absolutely loved their draft haul, especially their second rounders.
Robertson, I suspect, was in the 20s maybe even a little higher for them.
Henriksson, despite my own reservations and concerns, was probably in the 30s for them.
Beyond that, the hot take I heard back was that a lot of guys they took were typically ranked anywhere from 1-2 rounds higher than where they nabbed them. But I haven’t had time to really follow-up.
Thirty One
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Edge
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Gorton’s approach, in many ways, is very similar to the Yankees approach under Cashman. In fact, internally, the Rangers have borrowed and adapted quite a few pages from the Yankees playbook and there is a fair amount of interaction between staff memebers or both organizations. Not that they are exchanging in-depth strategies, but there are some friendships and exchanges that take place.
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Rongomania
I use my Kakko jersey as pajamas now.
Before we got Phil & Lias - I was preaching that to everyone I knew and I am so thrilled it all is coming to fruition so far. I knew it would be a killer idea or two and Gorts did it man.
given that they likely would have taken robertson anyway with a late first certainly took the sting out of missing out on dallas' 1st by a goal...
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
If he wants more he should just hold out until the NYR can make a trade... that may be Jan or Feb but if that’s what he has to do to prove to everyone he’s worth 1.5M-2M instead of 1M he should. I hope he’s in Cabo like Zeke was... worked for him!
He’s the 6th or 7th or so most important skater on this roster (didn’t include Hank there)... and in holding out he should get what he wants while his loss will guarantee us another high draft pick.
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He’s the 6th or 7th or so most important skater on this roster (didn’t include Hank there)... and in holding out he should get what he wants while his loss will guarantee us another high draft pick.
Everyone wins
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He has to sign by December 1st or he can't play this year.
Skill, talent, grit, etc. All reasons why I want DeAngelo on the team this season.
But no matter any of that, I will never feel like he's part of this team and I know he won't be for long. He never wanted to be here and never will. There are many other reasons I dislike him as a person but that's irrelevant in this context. What IS relevant is that it seems more than likely he'd be wearing a blue shirt and still cheering for the Flyers to win. In a game against them. This holdout is him trying to get out now. He doesn't wanna play for a direct division rival to his Flyers. It's so f'n obvious it's embarrassing. We don't need that. Only sad part would be losing him for nothing when he clearly is a skilled RD. We could have gotten a decent center prospect for him, 1 for 1.
Ultimately? That's what he is. An asset to gain from. Sooner or later. So if he's pushing for it now, that hurts us. And therefore I have zero remorse saying trade him somewhere bad. Find out where he wants go (other than Philly) and do the exact opposite.
I'm not against players getting paid. I'm for it. But this is not that. This is much more. We're building something nice and while we certainly could use him this year, or benefit from trading him for something decent, I don't see him factoring into any longer term plans at all. And it's pretty obvious he never has either.
Shame Ottawa is actually a nice place to live or that'd be ideal.
But no matter any of that, I will never feel like he's part of this team and I know he won't be for long. He never wanted to be here and never will. There are many other reasons I dislike him as a person but that's irrelevant in this context. What IS relevant is that it seems more than likely he'd be wearing a blue shirt and still cheering for the Flyers to win. In a game against them. This holdout is him trying to get out now. He doesn't wanna play for a direct division rival to his Flyers. It's so f'n obvious it's embarrassing. We don't need that. Only sad part would be losing him for nothing when he clearly is a skilled RD. We could have gotten a decent center prospect for him, 1 for 1.
Ultimately? That's what he is. An asset to gain from. Sooner or later. So if he's pushing for it now, that hurts us. And therefore I have zero remorse saying trade him somewhere bad. Find out where he wants go (other than Philly) and do the exact opposite.
I'm not against players getting paid. I'm for it. But this is not that. This is much more. We're building something nice and while we certainly could use him this year, or benefit from trading him for something decent, I don't see him factoring into any longer term plans at all. And it's pretty obvious he never has either.
Shame Ottawa is actually a nice place to live or that'd be ideal.
Glad to hear competent strategies are being reinforced. Gorton's handling of this DeAngelo situation pretty much mirrors what I would expect Cashman to do. Hopfully DeAngelo realizes he doesn't hold leverage at this point and finally makes a rationale decision.
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Just a thought, but perhaps Brooksie's reporting of "They're far apart" is only semi-accurate.
Currently we know the Rangers aren't interested in budging off the QO, for salary cap reasons. A valid strategy, yes, but one that won't engender much goodwill with ADA.
However, what if Tony's ask is 1.525m? That's close to the QO (in a salary cap sense), but at the same time is a whopping 600k more (contract plus an extra two thirds). Which is a LOT of money for someone who's been on an ELC. And when players only get somewhere around 50% of the money in their contract (b/t escrow, taxes, etc.), that 600k is the difference between making ~460k and 750k for a season. Young players don't make a lot of money in this league unless they're stars, so every dollar matters, yeah?
Currently we know the Rangers aren't interested in budging off the QO, for salary cap reasons. A valid strategy, yes, but one that won't engender much goodwill with ADA.
However, what if Tony's ask is 1.525m? That's close to the QO (in a salary cap sense), but at the same time is a whopping 600k more (contract plus an extra two thirds). Which is a LOT of money for someone who's been on an ELC. And when players only get somewhere around 50% of the money in their contract (b/t escrow, taxes, etc.), that 600k is the difference between making ~460k and 750k for a season. Young players don't make a lot of money in this league unless they're stars, so every dollar matters, yeah?
Hoping Rangers & TDA can come to an agreement before Oct 3........ can take the kid out of Philly, but can't take Philly out of the kid......
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I wonder if he signs right around the opener, I'm sure he knows the money isn't getting better, but maybe he just waits to report to work when he actually starts getting paid, which is the first day of the regular season for hockey players, right?
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I hope that isn't his ask, because we can't give him what we don't have.
If we assume that Kravtsov makes the team and Nieves and McKegg are both sent down, that leaves us with $1,685,201 in cap space for 13 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies. We need at least 500k to work with during the season, and every penny we save matters because we are likely to have performance bonuses to pay out. Whatever we can't pay off this year rolls over to next year's cap.
Yes, there is some flexibility regarding the team composition. We could send Smith down and keep Rykov, for example, and save 150k, but that isn't a great option IMO. I don't want Rykov as the 7th dman. He needs to play. Smith is a great option for the 7th dman spot because we don't care if he ever plays, and he can play LD, RD or 4th line if needed.
The math isn't changing. Tony needs to sign the contract he has been offered.
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I don't believe that is the case, but if it is, trade him now. That's absolutely the wrong attitude and something we don't need on this team.
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