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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

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Kupo said:
Better players have signed for less than ADA over the years. ADA can suck it up for 1 year, play his ass off, and then earn a bigger payday next year when we have more cap space.

His agent knows how little cap we have. He knows the team needs a cushion to operate over the course of the year. I get why ADA didn't sign earlier when there was hope a guy like Kreider, Names or Strome might be moved. That ship has sailed. We have very little cap space. The team traded and signed Trouba. We have Fox. ADA is not helping himself here. He should be in camp working with the team.

His coached benched him for 20% of the games last season. He's 23 and already on his 3rd team. Holding out for a little bit more money might help his pockets now, but it could really hurt longterm if he burns bridges with his third organization.

Sign the contract. Play your ass off. Earn your payday.
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Seems like he'd rather miss time. It's a shame
 
Krams said:
I know he has no leverage but Tony deserves more than his QO. It is unfair that rookies who just signed ELCs would be making more/the same as him. He is valuable to this team. I don't know what numbers are being discussed, but $975k-1M, throw him a bone.
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Impossible to say for certain, but if Tony's ask is 1m, he'd probably be in camp right now
 
This is delicate.

Tony deserves more than $925K. Nowhere near what some people here want to give him but an appropriate raise for someone with no leverage other than sitting out.

On the other hand, it's unlikely other teams want to get involved because of his volatile history. The Rangers know what they are dealing with...now. They didn't two years ago. Other teams can't be sure.

The pressure is on ADA. If he has a real good season this year, then he has leverage. If not (because he is missing part/all of camp and who knows what else) he may be headed to journeyman status and end up somewhere where he doesn't want to be. One piece of leverage he doesn't have is his destination for the next four years.
 
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Krams said:
I know he has no leverage but Tony deserves more than his QO. It is unfair that rookies who just signed ELCs would be making more/the same as him. He is valuable to this team. I don't know what numbers are being discussed, but $975k-1M, throw him a bone.
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I think most people agree he deserves more and quite frankly, it kinda sucks we couldn't move one more forward this offseason. We already have too many forwards as is, and that extra space could have been used to lock up ADA for possibly longer than 1 year.

I don't see how we can afford to offer him more than what we have though without jeopardizing our internal flexibility.

What worries me is Brookies tweet suggesting we're very far apart on a contract.

Hire Sather said:
Seems like he'd rather miss time. It's a shame
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Absolutely. I think ADA's upcoming season is being overlooked because of all the new kids coming in, but I was very excited to see if he can build off of last year.
 
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Kupo said:
Better players have signed for less than ADA over the years. ADA can suck it up for 1 year, play his ass off, and then earn a bigger payday next year when we have more cap space.

His agent knows how little cap we have. He knows the team needs a cushion to operate over the course of the year. I get why ADA didn't sign earlier when there was hope a guy like Kreider, Names or Strome might be moved. That ship has sailed. We have very little cap space. The team traded and signed Trouba. We have Fox. ADA is not helping himself here. He should be in camp working with the team.

His coached benched him for 20% of the games last season. He's 23 and already on his 3rd team. Holding out for a little bit more money might help his pockets now, but it could really hurt longterm if he burns bridges with his third organization.

Sign the contract. Play your ass off. Earn your payday.
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I wonder if he’s hesitant here because of how often he sat last year. You can’t earn much of a payday if you’re scratched. Not saying that’s wise, but maybe he’d be signed now if he played 82 games last year.
 
EdJovanovski said:
If we lose ADA they will greatly regret signing Trouba. Fox looks like Pionk too he can barely skate. ADA is the best defenseman on this team and it’s not even close
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Congrats sir. I have seen bad takes on here before, but this clearly takes the trophy. There would have to be some mathmatical way to watch less than zero hockey to come up with a take like that.

The real Ed Jovanoski died just so he could roll over in his grave at your comment.
 
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aufheben said:
I wonder if he’s hesitant here because of how often he sat last year. You can’t earn much of a payday if you’re scratched. Not saying that’s wise, but maybe he’d be signed now if he played 82 games last year.
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Like everything else, this could be easily reconciled by DeAngelo not going out of his way to be a problem.
 
aufheben said:
I wonder if he’s hesitant here because of how often he sat last year. You can’t earn much of a payday if you’re scratched. Not saying that’s wise, but maybe he’d be signed now if he played 82 games last year.
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ADA average 17 min in Jan. 19 in Feb. 20 in March and April. He finished strong and I think Quinn's decision to play him so many minutes was because he earned his trust.

Unless he takes a step backwards, I don't think he would have had to worry about missing games this year. But, with Trouba and Fox here, you might be right. He could see their signings as a threat to his ice time and that might be playing a big role with the approach he's taking.
 
EdJovanovski said:
If we lose ADA they will greatly regret signing Trouba. Fox looks like Pionk too he can barely skate. ADA is the best defenseman on this team and it’s not even close
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This is bad.

If you're comparing Fox to Pionk, then I can confidently say you don't know much about Fox. Not saying he's going to be a superstar, but their styles are very different. And Pionk wasn't a bad skater. He was just a mediocre player asked to do too much for his skill set and experience.

Bad skaters don't score goals like this in the NHL.
 
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aufheben said:
I wonder if he’s hesitant here because of how often he sat last year. You can’t earn much of a payday if you’re scratched. Not saying that’s wise, but maybe he’d be signed now if he played 82 games last year.
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Can't earn much of a payday without a contract either.
 
Unfortunately for him the longer he holds out, the more it hurts him

It’s too bad he wised up and stopped liking tweets about what money he won’t take. Woulda made things more fun
 
Dr. Ogrodnick said:
Congrats sir. I have seen bad takes on here before, but this clearly takes the trophy. There would have to be some mathmatical way to watch less than zero hockey to come up with a take like that.
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May have to disagree here. Nieves pushing ZBad to wing may take the cake. Actually I am not sure. The assertion that DeAngelo is already better than Trouba may be just as bad.
 
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True Blue said:
May have to disagree here. Nieves pushing ZBad to wing may take the cake. Actually I am not sure. The assertion that DeAngelo is already better than Trouba may be just as bad.
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I automatically discount Bern stuff. That's a whole other category.
 
What's the actual list of all Tony's Problems™ in New York? As far as I know, he deleted a tweet and was late for practice.

Kupo said:
ADA average 17 min in Jan. 19 in Feb. 20 in March and April. He finished strong and I think Quinn's decision to play him so many minutes was because he earned his trust.

Unless he takes a step backwards, I don't think he would have had to worry about missing games this year. But, with Trouba and Fox here, you might be right. He could see their signings as a threat to his ice time and that might be playing a big role with the approach he's taking.
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Yeah, especially when it's possible—maybe likely—that Trouba and Fox will take both the powerplay spots (although it's also possible to use two defensemen on the #2 PP unit,) and points are so important to defensemen getting paid. Again, I'm not saying this is a smart thing to do; Just trying to imagine his side of the story.

Hire Sather said:
Can't earn much of a payday without a contract either.
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Well duh but that might be a reason why he hasn't just accepted their initial offer.
 
Krams said:
I know he has no leverage but Tony deserves more than his QO. It is unfair that rookies who just signed ELCs would be making more/the same as him. He is valuable to this team. I don't know what numbers are being discussed, but $975k-1M, throw him a bone.
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I don't think the Rangers want to trade anyone just to make more cap space for Tony--that's pretty much what they'd have to do.

It's not like it's not true that it's not fair but it's not like this is the first time it's happened to somebody either. And life is unfair to a lot of people but the $1 mil + or - that Tony would be getting is the kind of unfair that everyone I know would wish on themselves. For some people that's pretty close to a lifetime worth of wages just in one year.

The best advice I'd give Tony is bite the bullet and sign the contract and have a great season and come back next year with arbitration rights. That said I'd understand if he held out but he's almost a sure bet to get moved if he does---though he might get moved anyway. If he wants to stay with the Rangers though his only chance IMO is if he plays and plays well.
 
SA16 said:
He's missed one practice. He's nowhere close to "not playing any games." Do you know how many players have held out for a whole season in the last ten years? I'm pretty sure the number is zero and the longest was Nylander. were the last ones Yashin/Peca 20 years ago?
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Dubinsky in 2009, Del Zotto in 2013, Stepan in 2015 are the only real holdouts for the Rangers in the last decade. They signed after camp started. I doubt we will see a player sit out an entire season
 
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Yeah, saw the above - sounds like ADA is digging in for a longer battle.

Really, really think this is entirely the wrong move for him on multiple levels.
 
Back to Tony. It's his agents JOB to make Tony understand that this isn't good for his career. His teammates would never get involved on the "business" side of things, but I wish someone would. Like give him good advice, maybe someone like Strome, someone that has had his share of "getting to where he is now".
Sacrificing now......bodes well. Less drama here, please. I am begging from a Rangers fan p.o.v. Like said before, BETTER players have had to bite the bullet.

Holding out leaves a sour taste in mgmt's mouth. To this day, I believe Stepan holding out didn't bode well for him, and eventually was the 1st to go in this "rebuild" or whatever you wanna call it. Just sign on the dotted line, play well like you can and eventually you will get yours' and will put you in a better light. You should be thankful the Rangers got you out of Arizona and gave you a new lease on life. Thankful, I say. Now sign.
 
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