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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

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You have to assume teams plan around offering an additional ~50k-250k to RFAs immediately before training camp, giving those kids an opportunity to save face before it starts actually becoming a problem. The gap between Tony D's demands and NYR's offer is almost certainly beyond that.

Unless I'm missing something, the Rangers will have 2.235 mil in cap space after burying Smith. Or they can keep Smith on and run a 21-man roster to the sameish effect. Both parties know Tony is worth more in on-ice value than the amount of cap space they have. I'm with Bobbop—it's not looking good. Still think Tony will begrudgingly sign before the first game, but you hate to see a kid with an alarming amount of smoke w/r/t off-ice bullshit miss any training camp
 
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SA16 said:
I mean there an extremely large difference between Brooks reporting on a trade and a contract and if that’s too complex to understand I don’t know what to say.

“Stepan is not being a traded” I’m sure is something that was true at the time however things can obviously change quickly in the trade market. If the Rangers were offered the #1 overall pick for Stepan, as ridiculous that would be, or course he would have been dealt instantly despite what they had planned.

“Lemieux and DeAngelo were being offered 874k” to start is a simple statement of fact and will always be true.
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Ball's in ADA's corner. Whether the offer is 874k, 950k, or 1M, the team has made it clear they're not budging from whatever the last offer is.

So tell me, in your opinion are they going to cave and buckle and offer him more?



 
SA16 said:
Excuse me but I do not believe that was in the last ten years.

Let me see...
2018-2019
2017-2018
2016-2017
2015-2016
2014-2013
2013-2014
2012-2013
2011-2012
2010-2011
2009-2010

The math checks out.
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I was answering the second question, not the first.
 
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Kupo said:
Ball's in ADA's corner. Whether the offer is 874k, 950k, or 1M, the team has made it clear they're not budging from whatever the last offer is.

So tell me, in your opinion are they going to cave and buckle and offer him more?



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Let me ask you a question in response. If the Rangers were willing to increase their offer to DeAngelo do you really think JD would say that to the media?

"Hey Colin. We're offering Tony 874,000 right now. We're willing to go up to 1.8M but we're not going to make him that offer until October 1st."

I'm sure that would work well for them in negotiations.
 
SA16 said:
Let me ask you a question in response. If the Rangers were willing to increase their offer to DeAngelo do you really think JD would say that to the media?

"Hey Colin. We're offering Tony 874,000 right now. We're willing to go up to 1.8M but we're not going to make him that offer until October 1st."

I'm sure that would work well for them in negotiations.
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I asked you my question first.
 
Kupo said:
Why?
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Because I think he deserves a raise from his play last year even if its small. He was arguably our best Dman and you have other lousy vets making 6 million. Would it be that big a deal to reach an agreement that gives him an increase of say 2-300,000 and keeps him happy and motivated?
 
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Kupo said:
I asked you my question first.
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Your question has no answer. How am I supposed to know what they will or won't do? I have no opinion on how they are thinking. All I know is that of course they will not tell the media that they are open to offering a lot more.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
Because I think he deserves a raise from his play last year even if its small. He was arguably our best Dman and you have other lousy vets making 6 million. Would it be that big a deal to reach an agreement that gives him an increase of say 2-300,000 and keeps him happy and motivated?
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I suspect the gap between Tony D and the Rangers is greater than 300k
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
Because I think he deserves a raise from his play last year even if its small. He was arguably our best Dman and you have other lousy vets making 6 million. Would it be that big a deal to reach an agreement that gives him an increase of say 2-300,000 and keeps him happy and motivated?
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The problem with this speculation is that you have no idea what the ADA camp is actually asking for. Brooks says the gap is wide but that could be 2-300,000 like you say or 1M or more. Who knows?
 
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haohmaru said:
The problem with this speculation is that you have no idea what the ADA camp is actually asking for. Brooks says the gap is wide but that could be 2-300,000 like you say or 1M or more. Who knows?
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This is true. I'm hoping both sides can come off their numbers and get this deal done for everybody's sake.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
Because I think he deserves a raise from his play last year even if its small. He was arguably our best Dman and you have other lousy vets making 6 million. Would it be that big a deal to reach an agreement that gives him an increase of say 2-300,000 and keeps him happy and motivated?
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He's already gotten a small raise in his offer. I'm sure the Rangers would be willing to go up a little. Per Brooks, the gulf between the Rangers offer and what ADA wants is large, so it doesn't seem like an extra 200-300k will do it.
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
Because I think he deserves a raise from his play last year even if its small. He was arguably our best Dman and you have other lousy vets making 6 million. Would it be that big a deal to reach an agreement that gives him an increase of say 2-300,000 and keeps him happy and motivated?
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Those lousy vets didn't sit out and for more money. They signed their QO's, put in the time, and got overpaid just like many vets do.

ADA is trying to take a shortcut. He's not Marner. Nor Nylander. He played 60 games last season and had his ups and downs. Two other teams have already given up on him. ADA has a good thing going here and if he continues playing well, he'll get his money.

Edit: I lied about those Vets. Thanks @Kakko, you big mean bully.

SA16 said:
Your question has no answer. How am I supposed to know what they will or won't do? I have no opinion on how they are thinking. All I know is that of course they will not tell the media that they are open to offering a lot more.
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If the team was offering a lot more then I think he would have signed by now.

PuckLuck3043 said:
Yes, I'm sure it is but there is always a middle ground to get the deal done. I'm sure the Rangers could come up from the measly 925K offer.
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How do you know they haven't...?
 
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Kupo said:
Those lousy vets didn't sit out and for more money. They signed their QO's, put in the time, and got overpaid just like many vets do.

ADA is trying to take a shortcut. He's not Marner. Nor Nylander. He played 60 games last season and had his ups and downs. Two other teams have already given up on him. ADA has a good thing going here and if he continues playing well, he'll get his money.



If the team was offering a lot more then I think he would have signed by now.



How do you know they haven't...?
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I don't know that they haven't, nobody does. I just think the 925K offer stinks, that's all. I hope they get it done that both parties can live with.
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
I don't know that they haven't, nobody does. I just think the 925K offer stinks, that's all. I hope they get it done that both parties can live with.
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Better players have signed for less than ADA over the years. ADA can suck it up for 1 year, play his ass off, and then earn a bigger payday next year when we have more cap space.

His agent knows how little cap we have. He knows the team needs a cushion to operate over the course of the year. I get why ADA didn't sign earlier when there was hope a guy like Kreider, Names or Strome might be moved. That ship has sailed. We have very little cap space. The team traded and signed Trouba. We have Fox. ADA is not helping himself here. He should be in camp working with the team.

His coached benched him for 20% of the games last season. He's 23 and already on his 3rd team. Holding out for a little bit more money might help his pockets now, but it could really hurt longterm if he burns bridges with his third organization.

Sign the contract. Play your ass off. Earn your payday.
 
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Kupo said:
Those lousy vets didn't sit out and for more money. They signed their QO's, put in the time, and got overpaid just like many vets do.
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Of the many people making big money on the Rangers, a grand total of 0 signed the QO on their second contract. Obviously, the situations are all unique, considering last year was DeAngelo's 1st full season, but we can avoid blatant falsehoods.
 
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Kupo said:
Better players have signed for less than ADA over the years. ADA can suck it up for 1 year, play his ass off, and then earn a bigger payday next year when we have more cap space.

His agent knows how little cap we have. He knows the team needs a cushion to operate over the course of the year. I get why ADA didn't sign earlier when there was hope a guy like Kreider, Names or Strome might be moved. That ship has sailed. We have very little cap space. The team traded and signed Trouba. We have Fox. ADA is not helping himself here. He should be in camp working with the team.

His coached benched him for 20% of the games last season. He's 23 and already on his 3rd team. Holding out for a little bit more money might help his pockets now, but it could really hurt longterm if he burns bridges with his third organization.

Sign the contract. Play your ass off. Earn your payday.
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It may come down to that and he may have to take the crappy offer to get back on the ice but I could definitely understand where it may affect his play this year and not for the better. Again, I wish there was some give on both sides to get the deal done.
 
Kakko said:
Of the many people making big money on the Rangers, a grand total of 0 signed the QO on their second contract. Obviously, the situations are all unique, considering last year was DeAngelo's 1st full season, but we can avoid blatant falsehoods.
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I should have looked it up before assuming that - I could have swore Staal signed his QO, but after looking at capfriendly he obviously didn't. Oops.
 
Kakko said:
Of the many people making big money on the Rangers, a grand total of 0 signed the QO on their second contract. Obviously, the situations are all unique, considering last year was DeAngelo's 1st full season, but we can avoid blatant falsehoods.
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Understood 100%, but at this moment in time the Rangers have more reason to pinch pennies with RFAs than they did in the past. These other teams are doing the league a massive disservice by setting the market for star RFAs upwards of 8 digits.

Georgy, Chytil, Lias, and Howden will all be in Tony's chair in the next two years. What's going to happen when Kaapo/Kravtsov need new contracts? Do we want to dish out 10 mil during what are supposed to be their cost-controlled years?

This RFA debacle is a serious problem, and the Rangers are at risk of being its single biggest casualty.
 
Lua said:
Understood 100%, but at this moment in time the Rangers have more reason to pinch pennies with RFAs than they did in the past. These other teams are doing the league a massive disservice by setting the market for star RFAs upwards of 8 digits.

Georgy, Chytil, Lias, and Howden will all be in Tony's chair in the next two years. What's going to happen when Kaapo/Kravtsov need new contracts? Do we want to dish out 10 mil during what are supposed to be their cost-controlled years?

This RFA debacle is a serious problem, and the Rangers are at risk of being its single biggest casualty.
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Good point and maybe that's why Rangers are holding firm with their QO. Sucks for ADA though.
 
There is a hard limit to what the Rangers can offer Tony. What exactly that limit is, is up for debate, but I'm sure the Rangers want to maintain as much cap flexibility as possible. We can create some extra space by sticking certain players in Hartford, but then we aren't giving those players a legitimate chance to make the team, just so we can give Tony a few extra bucks. Is that fair? Are we going to keep Nieves over Kravtsov so that Tony can get an extra 225k? Maybe we should stick Kakko in Harford so we don't have to worry about his performance bonuses.

Tony needs to sign the contract they are offering. If he's going to wait for a higher offer, he's going to be waiting a long time.
 
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