Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

[eco's bones]

Quinn did not give Shatty much penalty kill time last year and even less to Tony. When a team hardly plays two of their RD on the penalty kill that's a WTF to me. Tony needs to pick up more minutes there--even if it's only 1 minute average a game. It will be a lot more than last year's 10 seconds per. He needs more responsibility to play all situations.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Do we know that the issue is over a few hundred thousands dollars though?

No, but i’m trying to be realistic. Do you think Tony is demanding 2 million and hasn't budged? That’s unlikely. I’m sure be wants somewhere around 1.3-1.5 and the rangers are around 1.1

 

[n8]

I don't get ADA's strategy. If he takes the QO, scores 40, he puts himself in a position to as for $6+M AAV based off of todays market.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I don't get ADA's strategy. If he takes the QO, scores 40, he puts himself in a position to as for $6+M AAV based off of todays market.

And if he breaks his leg the 2nd game and can never play the same again it would be nice to have made 1.5m this season instead of 900k. I don’t know why people cant see both sides. The kids want to get paid, the same as everyone of us in our careers.

 

[n8]

And if he breaks his leg the 2nd game and can never play the same again it would be nice to have made 1.5m this season instead of 900k. I don’t know why people cant see both sides. The kids want to get paid, the same as everyone of us in our careers.

Strategy as in a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim. Losing your career to a freak accident isn't something you can really plan for and sabotaging your long term strategy for an unlikely outcome is poor game theory. At the same time, I'd like the Rangers to just offer him $1M. I think he'd sign a 1 year for $1M. If he's really looking for $1.5M, is he ignoring the Ranger's cap situation and how you can't just go to the limit for emergency call up reasons.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA's agent, pat brisson, and his high powered partner jp barry for that matter, have a duty to seek the best deal for their clients every time.

this is a process.

the organization just gave arty and jake big long term deals. good. they earned those contracts. unproven rookies are making rook minimum salaries of 925k. ADA wants more than that. who can blame him ?

ADA and his people at CAA believe hes worth more than a QO this year based on his production and overall body of work. also, hes going to be an integral part of this team this year- adam fox or no adam fox, ADA is going to be big time player this season. top 4 minutes is a reality.

you can see both sides here. ADA is looking for "fair" money with an organization that is cash strapped right now- not his fault and why take a chance on a low ball "value" deal when the chance of injury- career threatening injury- one hit away ever time he laces up.

best deal. best AAV. best term. every time. thats what his people are looking for. taking a low ball deal and playing better sounds good but its just not sound management.

get him signed already.

 

[haveandare]

No, but i’m trying to be realistic. Do you think Tony is demanding 2 million and hasn't budged? That’s unlikely. I’m sure be wants somewhere around 1.3-1.5 and the rangers are around 1.1

He could be demanding a few years. If he is, something like $2m is totally reasonable for a player like him. They might not even be in the same ballpark in terms of money and years. Hoping they are but I personally haven't heard much of anything about what Tony wants.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

He could be demanding a few years. If he is, something like $2m is totally reasonable for a player like him. They might not even be in the same ballpark in terms of money and years. Hoping they are but I personally haven't heard much of anything about what Tony wants.

According to Brooks' latest tweet, the gulf is wide between the Rangers 1 year 925k offer and what ADA is asking.

 

[will1066]

ADA's agent, pat brisson, and his high powered partner jp barry for that matter, have a duty to seek the best deal for their clients every time.

this is a process.

the organization just gave arty and jake big long term deals. good. they earned those contracts. unproven rookies are making rook minimum salaries of 925k. ADA wants more than that. who can blame him ?

ADA and his people at CAA believe hes worth more than a QO this year based on his production and overall body of work. also, hes going to be an integral part of this team this year- adam fox or no adam fox, ADA is going to be big time player this season. top 4 minutes is a reality.

you can see both sides here. ADA is looking for "fair" money with an organization that is cash strapped right now- not his fault and why take a chance on a low ball "value" deal when the chance of injury- career threatening injury- one hit away ever time he laces up.

best deal. best AAV. best term. every time. thats what his people are looking for. taking a low ball deal and playing better sounds good but its just not sound management.

get him signed already.

And don't think that the NHLPA isn't providing input to him and Brisson.

 

[will1066]

He could be demanding a few years. If he is, something like $2m is totally reasonable for a player like him. They might not even be in the same ballpark in terms of money and years. Hoping they are but I personally haven't heard much of anything about what Tony wants.

This may mean that Tony's camp is greasing the wheels for a holdout and forced trade, which I would hate.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

As much as I like Tony, if he decides to stand his ground long term, there’s enough options to take his minutes and fill his void on the PP

This may mean that Tony's camp is greasing the wheels for a holdout and forced trade, which I would hate.

The team isn’t going to get strong armed by someone like DeAngelo. If he wants out, trade him to somewhere he’s gonna be miserable and be done with it

 

[haveandare]

This may mean that Tony's camp is greasing the wheels for a holdout and forced trade, which I would hate.

Yeah, that would suck. I'm not sure how hot the market would be for him. On one hand, he was very effective last year and PMDs are highly valued in general. On the other hand, he performed well for one half of one season and his next team will be his 4th in 5 years if it comes to that.

 

[romba]

ADA found success here despite having had lots of issues prior in his previous organizations. If he's trying to get a raise, awesome. But if he forces his way out he's taking a big risk he might not have the right situation to achieve and grow as he did here. His young modern athlete mentality is likely 'I did it here I can do it elsewhere cuz I'm awesome' but that's pretty immature and short-sighted.

 

[Kovalev27]

I was worried about this yesterday when brooks said they were going over multiple solutions. I believe they want a multi year deal and Rangers can’t give it.

They’re already coming up to what they gave Lemieux. If there’s still a wide gulf that’s the only explanation.

This is not a good situation for Tony. He only started to establish himself in February. His spot is perilous especially if Fox comes in and lights up camp like he did in Traverse City.

 

[RangerBoy]

JT Miller signed his qualifying offer in 2015. $874,000. He could have held out but he needed to play hockey. He had no leverage. He had a good season in 15-16. 22 goals. 43 points. 2 years/$5.5M contract in the summer of 2016. There were questions about Miller’s maturity. His issues were not as bad as Tony’s.

Tony has no leverage. The Rangers should tell him to sign the one year offer on the table or he isn’t playing this season. There’s a December 1 deadline. Forgot about that. Give him a deadline. Sometime next week.

The Leafs and Nylander got a deal done by December 1. Nylander had a horrible season. He missed training camp and the first two months of the season.

He can’t stroll in a few days before the season when he realizes the Rangers are serious and he doesn’t want to miss any paychecks or wait until December 1 so he plays this season in order to become eligible for arbitration next summer after having missed the previous three months.

I am not being mean to Tony. JD was asked about Shattenkirk yesterday. He knew Shattenkirk in St. Louis. He likes him but it’s the business of hockey. The business of the salary cap. It’s not personal. Just business.

 

[SA16]

JT Miller signed his qualifying offer in 2015. $874,000. He could have held out but he needed to play hockey. He had no leverage. He had a good season in 15-16. 22 goals. 43 points. 2 years/$5.5M contract in the summer of 2016. There were questions about Miller’s maturity. His issues were not as bad as Tony’s.

Tony has no leverage. The Rangers should tell him to sign the one year offer on the table or he isn’t playing this season. There’s a December 1 deadline. Forgot about that. Give him a deadline. Sometime next week.

The Leafs and Nylander got a deal done by December 1. Nylander had a horrible season. He missed training camp and the first two months of the season.

He can’t stroll in a few days before the season when he realizes the Rangers are serious and he doesn’t want to miss any paychecks or wait until December 1 so he gets an accrued season in order to become eligible for arbitration next summer after having missed the previous three months.

I am not being mean to Tony. JD was asked about Shattenkirk yesterday. He knew Shattenkirk in St. Louis. He likes him but it’s the business of hockey. The business of the salary cap. It’s not personal. Just business.

William Nylander point rates by season (most recent at the bottom):

1.72
1.77
2.38
1.78

Williams Nylander CF% by season:

53.9
52.5
50.2
56.1

William Nylander GF% by season:
52.9
49.4
62.3
55.0

He didn't have a horrible season. His production was right in line with the rest of his career and his play driving was even better. A main reason for his decline in scoring is that he was played on a much worse PP unit than in previous years(Marleau/Johnsson/Gardiner/Ennis compared to Marleau/Gardiner/MATTHEWS/5th guy, got less ice time (least of his career by 30 seconds at 15:31 and as I've shown many times before two players in the last 10 years year have s played less than 16 mins/game and scored 60 points), and had far worse linemates (37% with Matthews compared to 84%). His huge previous year had a lot to do with a very high on ice 5v5 shooting percentage.

Long story short the whole "Nylander had an awful season after holding out" is a completely false narrative.

 

[True Blue]

This may mean that Tony's camp is greasing the wheels for a holdout and forced trade, which I would hate.

He cannot force a trade. And the Rangers may call his bluff. Want to hold out? Fine. Sit out an entire season. See what that does to your contract demands in the future. Even was he to jump ship and play in Europe, you think that he is getting a 5 year deal, worth let's say $4m per after sitting out an entire NHL season?

 

[True Blue]

And if he breaks his leg the 2nd game and can never play the same again it would be nice to have made 1.5m this season instead of 900k. I don’t know why people cant see both sides. The kids want to get paid, the same as everyone of us in our careers.

Sure he wants to get paid. But if you know the Rangers are not budging and you know they do not NEED him as they are not really competing, what is being accomplished? Is DeAngelo willing to sacrifice his future for say $250-500k or so? If he sits out the season, what team is giving him the contract that he wants?

 

[True Blue]

Abest term. every time. thats what his people are looking for. taking a low ball deal and playing better sounds good but its just not sound management.

get him signed already.

Missing training camp after a season where you were repeatedly sat, on top of being your 3rd team in 4 years does not sound like sound career management.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA needs to sign his deal

he may well be looking out for his best interest while punching his ticket out of town.

hope not.

he needs to sign

 

[will1066]

He cannot force a trade. And the Rangers may call his bluff. Want to hold out? Fine. Sit out an entire season. See what that does to your contract demands in the future. Even was he to jump ship and play in Europe, you think that he is getting a 5 year deal, worth let's say $4m per after sitting out an entire NHL season?

I don't underestimate how some GMs and teams operate. There will be one out there that will entertain a trade. People can say DeAngelo's been on four teams in five years. But that's because teams are willing to take him on, including this team. If he doesn't want to stay for a bridge year, then I'm not against trading him and getting something of value in return. There's a pair of Duke brothers out there that think they will be able to rehabilitate William with the right environment.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don't underestimate how some GMs and teams operate. There will be one out there that will entertain a trade. People can say DeAngelo's been on four teams in five years. But that's because teams are willing to take him on, including this team. If he doesn't want to stay for a bridge year, then I'm not against trading him and getting something of value in return. There's a pair of Duke brothers out there that think they will be able to rehabilitate William with the right environment.

 

[will1066]

lol

"A bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich, William."

 

[True Blue]

There's a pair of Duke brothers out there that think they will be able to rehabilitate William with the right environment.

I'm still not talking to you Mortimer

 

[Rongomania]

lol

"A bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich, William."

"I'M A KARATE MAN! KARATE MEN BRUISE ON THE INSIDE!"