Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

[cheech70]

I don’t see why ADA can’t put up 50 pts and play 23 24 mins a night in his prime which is what he’s about to enter. He seems to thrive with more mins. He is a tremendous skater. And not for nothing he LOVES mixing it up. He enjoys it. To me all he had to do was learn to be adequate defensively to be a top pair guy. He’s more than done that. To me he’s in pen on my top pairing if it were my team. Imagine this kid in the playoffs? I have no doubt the he’d thrive off the intensity.

I agree dare I say a deal similar to Mack for Gomez? ADA and Lias for Step(who gained 20 lbs) with just ADA is a big time win ....when Lias figures it out ...forgetaboutit!

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I agree dare I say a deal similar to Mack for Gomez? ADA and Lias for Step(who gained 20 lbs) with just ADA is a big time win ....when Lias figures it out ...forgetaboutit!

Another home run from Gorton, it looks like. And I remember people threatening their fandom after that one

Edit: fun thread to read through, always love going through old trade threads on here

Confirmed with Link: - Stepan and Raanta for Arizona 2017 7th Overall and DeAngelo Mod Post #286

 

[Off Sides]

Another home run from Gorton, it looks like. And I remember people threatening their fandom after that one

Edit: fun thread to read through, always love going through old trade threads on here

Confirmed with Link: - Stepan and Raanta for Arizona 2017 7th Overall and DeAngelo Mod Post #286

I like scanning through old threads to see if I said dumb stuff.

Going to toot my own horn

If they are going to make this trade, they should just keep going that direction.

This, like last years Brassard trade, has some potential to make the team younger and possibly even more talented, but if it's just a one off thing where now all of a sudden they are keeping Nash self renting him if in playoff position, signing UFAs to help get to that position and all that goes along with that it just ends up the same way it has been for the past two years, possibly a good team but nothing that compares to the overall rosters of the top contenders.

So after that trade what do they do? They buy out Girardi, extend Smith and sign Shattenkirk.

Had that even half way worked they probably self rent Nash.

The more and more I read through old threads, I kind of think he only reason a rebuild even took place was because Smith went wedding crashing, Shattenkirk, McD were injured, Miller, Hayes did not take off and they ended up in missing the playoffs position.

Had they been in position we are probably still seeing a slow demise rather than a sell off, rebuild.



I'm actually pretty sure I called the outline of their eventual plan before they did. Maybe I was reading their hedge. From the Brassard trade.

Confirmed with Link: - Mika Zibanejad & a 2018 2nd rd pick OTT for Derick Brassard & a 2018 7th rd pick


And yet had no faith they would not do it at that point

Confirmed with Link: - Mika Zibanejad & a 2018 2nd rd pick OTT for Derick Brassard & a 2018 7th rd pick


Speculation: - Offseason Thread #14: Now With Even Less Title Ideas (Not the Kreider Thread Tho)

Speculation: - Offseason Thread XVIII - Soon September & a new NYR member?

 

[Rempe73]

I am finally getting around to watching the last game's 2nd period. I love that ADA took on a much larger player and absolutely held his own. He comes to the defense of his teammates with a fireceness this team has been missing for years. He and Lemieux are a good start to changing the feeling around this team.

How do you watch game replays? Do you watch the encore on MSG? Do you record them? Is there a website that has them?

 

[Rempe73]

Another home run from Gorton, it looks like. And I remember people threatening their fandom after that one

Edit: fun thread to read through, always love going through old trade threads on here

Confirmed with Link: - Stepan and Raanta for Arizona 2017 7th Overall and DeAngelo Mod Post #286

Lmao thank you for this. Sweet, sweet vindication. I’ll say this again, but I remember the exact day the Rangers traded Stepan. I was just getting off from work, and I was heading towards my car. I typed in “New York Rangers” on google, as I do multiple times a day to check for any Rangers news. And there it was. Stepan + Raanta for the 7 OA and my favorite NHL prospect at the time, Anthony freakin DeAngelo. I know this sounds dumb, but I was so f***ing happy that I didn’t know what to do, so I just ended up texting random friends about the trade. Most of them didn’t know what I was talking about, since they weren’t hockey fans. But I didn’t care.

DeAngelo alone makes that trade worth it for me, but if Lias can keep digging deep and keep developing, we might look back on this trade as one of Gorton’s best.

 

[RGY]

30 points in 60 Games on a team devoid of depth, extensive experience, and ability due to the lack of experience and development. He started logging heavier minutes. He has the potential to be a very good top 4 offensive defenseman. He skates so well with the puck and has great vision, great passing ability.

Hope he continues to trend upward and solidifies himself as a 45+ point dman every year

 

[The Crypto Guy]

30 points in 60 Games on a team devoid of depth, extensive experience, and ability due to the lack of experience and development. He started logging heavier minutes. He has the potential to be a very good top 4 offensive defenseman. He skates so well with the puck and has great vision, great passing ability.

Hope he continues to trend upward and solidifies himself as a 45+ point dman every year

If he is scoring 50 points in his prime, he isn't a top 4 dman. He's already a very good top 4 dman.

 

[RGY]

If he is scoring 50 points in his prime, he isn't a top 4 dman. He's already a very good top 4 dman.

Wait what? 50 points isnt a top 4 defenseman in this league?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Wait what? 50 points isnt a top 4 defenseman in this league?

No it's top pair.

Burns, Giordano, Rielly, Carlson, Yandle, Gustafsson, Barrie, Letang, Josi, Chabot, Hedman, Krug, Trouba, Suter, Jones, Petry, McD, Doughty and Karlsson are all the defenseman that have 45+ points this season, 90% of them are top pair dmen.

 

[NYR Viper]

How do you watch game replays? Do you watch the encore on MSG? Do you record them? Is there a website that has them?

I purchased NHL.TV, so I can watch any game at any time

 

[Edge]

Another home run from Gorton, it looks like. And I remember people threatening their fandom after that one

Edit: fun thread to read through, always love going through old trade threads on here

Confirmed with Link: - Stepan and Raanta for Arizona 2017 7th Overall and DeAngelo Mod Post #286

I feel like I can sense myself doing a facepalm while typing this:

"Guys there is A LOT of talent with DeAngelo.

For a moment, forget about the other crap, this kid has some major upside.

Definitely some flaws, and those things may very well hinder his ability to advance, but this kid isn't just a throw-in."

 

[Edge]

I like scanning through old threads to see if I said dumb stuff.

Going to toot my own horn



So after that trade what do they do? They buy out Girardi, extend Smith and sign Shattenkirk.

Had that even half way worked they probably self rent Nash.

The more and more I read through old threads, I kind of think he only reason a rebuild even took place was because Smith went wedding crashing, Shattenkirk, McD were injured, Miller, Hayes did not take off and they ended up in missing the playoffs position.

Had they been in position we are probably still seeing a slow demise rather than a sell off, rebuild.



I'm actually pretty sure I called the outline of their eventual plan before they did. Maybe I was reading their hedge. From the Brassard trade.

Confirmed with Link: - Mika Zibanejad & a 2018 2nd rd pick OTT for Derick Brassard & a 2018 7th rd pick


And yet had no faith they would not do it at that point

Confirmed with Link: - Mika Zibanejad & a 2018 2nd rd pick OTT for Derick Brassard & a 2018 7th rd pick


Speculation: - Offseason Thread #14: Now With Even Less Title Ideas (Not the Kreider Thread Tho)

Speculation: - Offseason Thread XVIII - Soon September & a new NYR member?

I feel like this one post from the Zibanejad trade thread can sum up a lot of my time on here:

"We're trading a player who is entering his aged 29 season for a 23 year old center who put up 6 less points, and a second round pick.

I like Brassard, but that's not an end of the world kind of move."

 

[True Blue]

Definitely some flaws, and those things may very well hinder his ability to advance, but this kid isn't just a throw-in."

I do not feel that Gorton asks for throw ins. I think he has specific reasons for requesting some players. DeAngelo and Lemieux for instance were specifically targeted. So too was Nametsnikov and that has worked out ok (not great, not awful). Spooner was specifically targeted. Didn't work out. But then he managed to trade one reclamation project for another (Strome).

Point being, I think that Gorton targets specific things. Some work, some don't. But none are simply thrown in for the sake of being thrown in.

 

[Off Sides]

I feel like this one post from the Zibanejad trade thread can sum up a lot of my time on here:

"We're trading a player who is entering his aged 29 season for a 23 year old center who put up 6 less points, and a second round pick.

I like Brassard, but that's not an end of the world kind of move."

They seemingly tried to hedge their bets with that mini retool after the Stepan trade. I assume that was due to Lundqvist, which is fine yet in a way they were lucky to have had injuries which led to them missing the playoffs in the first season after the retool. If they had been in playoff position the rebuild never starts. We probably end up seeing them self rent, band-aid the team with UFAs, and eventually the assets which were traded off in the rebuild we are currently seeing return less and less value or worse are tied up in long term extensions with clauses. They more or less become Detroit who tried to stave off their rebuild for a couple years and are now still left with some long term contracts to past their prime players.

In a way, I wonder how much of that retool failure, without another attempt at another retool is leading to Sather finally leaving?

 

[Edge]

They seemingly tried to hedge their bets with that mini retool after the Stepan trade. I assume that was due to Lundqvist, which is fine yet in a way they were lucky to have had injuries which led to them missing the playoffs in the first season after the retool. If they had been in playoff position the rebuild never starts. We probably end up seeing them self rent, band-aid the team with UFAs, and eventually the assets which were traded off in the rebuild we are currently seeing return less and less value or worse are tied up in long term extensions with clauses. They more or less become Detroit who tried to stave off their rebuild for a couple years and are now still left with some long term contracts to past their prime players.

In a way, I wonder how much of that retool failure, without another attempt at another retool is leading to Sather finally leaving?

Personally, I don't think it's a factor. I think Sather is 76, part of an old guard that has already left, and I think he probably doesn't quite have the health or stamina he did 10 years ago.

As for the timetable, I think they would've gone that route no matter what and the timing wouldn't have been off. Based on Gorton's comments at the time, I got the sense that this was something that was being discussed for a while. It just finally got to the point where it was unavoidable.

Personally, I think they've done about as well as any team could hope to do this early into the process. But now they need to really identify that top-end talent and turn prospects into players.

But I think the general consensus is that they've done a very good job to this point.

 

[Off Sides]

Personally, I don't think it's a factor. I think Sather is 76, part of an old guard that has already left, and I think he probably doesn't quite have the health or stamina he did 10 years ago.

As for the timetable, I think they would've gone that route no matter what and the timing wouldn't have been off. Based on Gorton's comments at the time, I got the sense that this was something that was being discussed for a while. It just finally got to the point where it was unavoidable.

Personally, I think they've done about as well as any team could hope to do this early into the process. But now they need to really identify that top-end talent and turn prospects into players.

But I think the general consensus is that they've done a very good job to this point.

I'll agree they saw the end of the Lundqvist contract as a point in the timetable, the hedging of the bets where they signed Smith and Shattenkirk to have their contracts end at the same time.

I disagree they are anywhere near as aggressive in rebuilding or even trying to get younger had that retool kept them in playoff position.

I agree they have done about as well as they could past the letter.

I'm not so sure Sather really likes the rebuilding idea in general, I believe he would tolerate it for a year or two, yet would be just fine with trying to accelerate it through UFA signings.

 

[Rempe73]

I purchased NHL.TV, so I can watch any game at any time

But if you live in the NY/NJ area, the NYR games are blacked out, right? And that probably goes for replays as well.

 

[offdacrossbar]

that deangelo trade thread is gold.

very happy with my initial reaction to that trade and very happy i was right. lol

kids a keeper.

 

[Edge]

I'll agree they saw the end of the Lundqvist contract as a point in the timetable, the hedging of the bets where they signed Smith and Shattenkirk to have their contracts end at the same time.

I disagree they are anywhere near as aggressive in rebuilding or even trying to get younger had that retool kept them in playoff position.

I agree they have done about as well as they could past the letter.

I'm not so sure Sather really likes the rebuilding idea in general, I believe he would tolerate it for a year or two, yet would be just fine with trying to accelerate it through UFA signings.

In fairness, Sather also found himself stuck in a perpetual rebuild with the Oilers in the 1990s, so I think that's where any aversion would come from.

I've always gotten the sense that they new the end was near, it was just a matter of when. Let's say the mini-retool worked, I think it may have pushed things back a year. But Gorton's comments at the time were very telling.

Everyone remembers the letter, but even that summer before, he spent a lot of time talking about the dreaded middle. It came up more than once and wasn't just a throwaway comment. That leads me to believe that it was something that was talked about for a while.

But I think they looked at their roster, saw a 28 year old McD, a 35 year old Lundqvist, and felt that maybe, if all the pieces fell into place, they might be able to make one last run. But it became evident pretty quickly that it wasn't going to happen.

So in that sense, I've always felt that whether it was January 2018, or June, change was probably coming.

 

[Thirty One]

No it's top pair.

Burns, Giordano, Rielly, Carlson, Yandle, Gustafsson, Barrie, Letang, Josi, Chabot, Hedman, Krug, Trouba, Suter, Jones, Petry, McD, Doughty and Karlsson are all the defenseman that have 45+ points this season, 90% of them are top pair dmen.

Only Yandle of that list is an obvious 3rd pair defenseman.

 

[Off Sides]

In fairness, Sather also found himself stuck in a perpetual rebuild with the Oilers in the 1990s, so I think that's where any aversion would come from.

I've always gotten the sense that they new the end was near, it was just a matter of when. Let's say the mini-retool worked, I think it may have pushed things back a year. But Gorton's comments at the time were very telling.

Everyone remembers the letter, but even that summer before, he spent a lot of time talking about the dreaded middle. It came up more than once and wasn't just a throwaway comment. That leads me to believe that it was something that was talked about for a while.

But I think they looked at their roster, saw a 28 year old McD, a 35 year old Lundqvist, and felt that maybe, if all the pieces fell into place, they might be able to make one last run. But it became evident pretty quickly that it wasn't going to happen.

So in that sense, I've always felt that whether it was January 2018, or June, change was probably coming.

We are not that far apart, mostly I believe every year they made the playoffs, that pushes the rebuild back. There was never a point where they made the playoffs and a rebuild ensued, just more retooling until that no longer worked.

Which ironically makes me fell as if they were pretty luck they were out of position in the first year of their first retool.

 

[Edge]

We are not that far apart, mostly I believe every year they made the playoffs, that pushes the rebuild back. There was never a point where they made the playoffs and a rebuild ensued, just more retooling until that no longer worked.

Which ironically makes me fell as if they were pretty luck they were out of position in the first year of their first retool.

I agree. Truth be told, I feel like the difference would've been 4 months or so.

I think barring a major run last year, I feel like Gorton would've gone this direction anyway. I think it would've just confirmed his dreaded middle fears.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Only Yandle of that list is an obvious 3rd pair defenseman.

On the Rangers* Everywhere else he's a elite #1 dman.

 

[Edge]

I dunno if I'd use elite and Yandle in the same sentence...

I think he's eating up a lot of time and putting up a lot of points on a team that isn't very good and can run him out there for 24 minutes a night.

 

[True Blue]

On the Rangers* Everywhere else he's a elite #1 dman.

Wait, Yandle is an elite #1 defenseman? Since when? And where?