Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

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At the end of the day, this is just like any other job.

You show up late, you're reprimanded
You fail your deadlines, you're reprimanded
You don't carry out your assignments, you're reprimanded

What's also like any other job, is that the manager (head coach) just likes certain employees more than others and will never be 100% objective when judging them.

Agreed. But I think because of the prestige, public scrutiny or perhaps income levels that people completely forget about this. Our (I'd say global but even more so American) society in general completely mischaracterizes celebrities, no matter how big or small, as something more then (or perhaps less then) human. We think they exist in a different world and in some ways, this is true, but they still have much of the same, daily, bullshit as any of us.

It's kind of similar to the way we talk about injuries with these players. We treat them like machines rather than humans when many of the injuries they deal with would be life altering or even life shattering for many of us ordinary people.

Hockey players, they're just like us, they too can be late to things and get a spank on the butt from their boss.
 
I also would love to have known many of the posters who are commenting about 23 year olds being late to maturity when THEY were 23. 23 is still a kid. Sure, in the NHL you have some younger guys. I'm 29 now and am ashamed of many of the things I was doing when I was 23. I was fresh out of college, in my first year of making some real $ and living in NYC with a roommate the same age. As you can imagine, I wasn't a saint.

When I was 23, a lot of guys on the Rangers were hanging in circles somewhat interconnected to mine. I heard A LOT of rumors about guys who played huge roles on the teams that went to the cup final and ECF a few years earlier. Some from people who were firsthand spending time with them. The shit they were doing would have led people on here to think they were wild, immature, lazy, had not future, a 'cancer,' etc. And most of them went on to have very successful careers, both here and elsewhere (two of which specifically - without naming names - are now considered veteran 'leaders' on their respective squads).

It's just a ridiculous notion to think a 23 year old is an adult. It's even more ridiculous to expect no growing pains, especially with a kid who seemed a mess psychologically when he was drafted.

Professional athletes and celebrities are forced to mature at a quicker rate than the rest of us because every move they make is scrutinized. Much more so today than at any time previously. That doesn't mean we should forget the fact that a 23 year old is not a mature adult and frankly, should not be expected to be.

I trust Quinn and Gorton. We don't know ADA personally and truly have no idea what went on here. We have no idea what he is like in or out of the locker room. And people making determinations on his future and what contract we should give him based off a benching categorized as a 'small thing,' just sound like crazies.
 
hes an important part of the future of the blue line. he has his spot in the top 4 and on PP1.

his metrics are stupid good when to comes to zone entries and exits. compared to his peers, hes at the top. period.

defensively, like his maturity and attitude, he needs work. got it. lets focus on the positive.

we dont give up on him because his numbers say he doesnt prevent dzone entries and just the same, we dont give up on him because quinn doesnt like his "maturity" what ever that means.

quinn (over)plays his favorite guy inspite of some horrendous metrics (like really bad) because that guy "gets it" i guess and practices with" intentions" and doesnt make "immature" mistakes.

however, we are tying to win hockey games not garner votes for prom king.

77 is part of the long term solution. end of that story. keep on him and keep playing him.
 
hes an important part of the future of the blue line. he has his spot in the top 4 and on PP1.

his metrics are stupid good when to comes to zone entries and exits. compared to his peers, hes at the top. period.

defensively, like his maturity and attitude, he needs work. got it. lets focus on the positive.

we dont give up on him because his numbers say he doesnt prevent dzone entries and just the same, we dont give up on him because quinn doesnt like his "maturity" what ever that means.

quinn (over)plays his favorite guy inspite of some horrendous metrics (like really bad) because that guy "gets it" i guess and practices with" intentions" and doesnt make "immature" mistakes.

however, we are tying to win hockey games not garner votes for prom king.

77 is part of the long term solution. end of that story. keep on him and keep playing him.
Quinn has also be great about playing the hot hand..

ADA has led the team in minutes multiple nights. And last night DeAngelo was 2nd in TOI despite not playing on the PK
 
until we are aware of what his transgression was, im going to withhold judgement. this benching reinforces nothing for me either way. at all.

im curious to know what the 'maturity" thing was that he did or did not do. until we know, its just more of the same tony d drama.

hes just too damn talented to obsess over whatever it is that he did this time. the last 6 weeks of being our best dman gives him alot more leeway in my eyes.
But you will not know because Quinn keeps things in the locker room. So, yeah. I guess for you it will be more of the same.
 
15 points in his last 20 games, one of the few offensive bright spots on the team since Feb.

That's a 60 point pace. Kid is playing in his first full NHL season let's not forget.

Basically we could be getting Stepan's production from him alone.

Yotes are going to be looking back on that Stepan trade and shake their head.
 
15 points in his last 20 games, one of the few offensive bright spots on the team since Feb.

That's a 60 point pace. Kid is playing in his first full NHL season let's not forget.

Basically we could be getting Stepan's production from him alone.

Yotes are going to be looking back on that Stepan trade and shake their head.

Stepan has 32 points this season. Gorton doesn't get enough credit for jettisoning him when he did. He'd be an albatross right now.
 
15 points in his last 20 games, one of the few offensive bright spots on the team since Feb.

That's a 60 point pace. Kid is playing in his first full NHL season let's not forget.

Basically we could be getting Stepan's production from him alone.

Yotes are going to be looking back on that Stepan trade and shake their head.

It might project to 60 points if he could ever keep his head on straight, which is a big if.

Jettisoning Stepan was pragmatic. He is a player that is somewhat hamstrung by his lack of physical abilities, and that'll just get worse with age and with the NHL continuing to move in a direction where skating is paramount.
 
It might project to 60 points if he could ever keep his head on straight, which is a big if.

Jettisoning Stepan was pragmatic. He is a player that is somewhat hamstrung by his lack of physical abilities, and that'll just get worse with age and with the NHL continuing to move in a direction where skating is paramount.
When he starts punching babies i'll get concerned over whether or not he can keep his head is on straight. In the meantime, i'll enjoy the top pair production he is giving the team.
 
When he starts punching babies i'll get concerned over whether or not he can keep his head is on straight. In the meantime, i'll enjoy the top pair production he is giving the team.

Unfortunately, your bar is much lower than anyone who runs a National Hockey League team.

The prorating argument is always a shaky one, but it's especially shaky for a guy that has proven to be so immature that he can't stay in the lineup concurrently for more than 6 weeks.
 
Unfortunately, your bar is much lower than anyone who runs a National Hockey League team.

The prorating argument is always a shaky one, but it's especially shaky for a guy that has proven to be so immature that he can't stay in the lineup concurrently for more than 6 weeks.

Did you ever consider that maybe they are being more strict with him due to his past transgressions? From most accounts, he has been a good teammate this year and improved his attitude significantly on and off the ice. He is still a kid.

Punching babies surely shouldn't be the bar, but you are also setting an incredibly low one and trying to claim it is backed up by his various benchings this year when according to everything Quinn has said publicly, it begs to differ.
 
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Did you ever consider that maybe they are being more strict with him due to his past transgressions? From most accounts, he has been a good teammate this year and improved his attitude significantly on and off the ice. He is still a kid.

Punching babies surely shouldn't be the bar, but you are also setting an incredibly low one and trying to claim it is backed up by his various benchings this year when according to everything Quinn has said publicly, it begs to differ.
Based on his interviews & interactions with teammates he seems to have a pretty upbeat and fun personality, and his teammates definitely like him. Buchnevich and him always comment joking around on each others Instagram and Buch tagged him in the caption of his photo saying some inside joke they have.
 
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I also would love to have known many of the posters who are commenting about 23 year olds being late to maturity when THEY were 23. 23 is still a kid. Sure, in the NHL you have some younger guys. I'm 29 now and am ashamed of many of the things I was doing when I was 23. I was fresh out of college, in my first year of making some real $ and living in NYC with a roommate the same age. As you can imagine, I wasn't a saint.

When I was 23, a lot of guys on the Rangers were hanging in circles somewhat interconnected to mine. I heard A LOT of rumors about guys who played huge roles on the teams that went to the cup final and ECF a few years earlier. Some from people who were firsthand spending time with them. The **** they were doing would have led people on here to think they were wild, immature, lazy, had not future, a 'cancer,' etc. And most of them went on to have very successful careers, both here and elsewhere (two of which specifically - without naming names - are now considered veteran 'leaders' on their respective squads).

It's just a ridiculous notion to think a 23 year old is an adult. It's even more ridiculous to expect no growing pains, especially with a kid who seemed a mess psychologically when he was drafted.

Professional athletes and celebrities are forced to mature at a quicker rate than the rest of us because every move they make is scrutinized. Much more so today than at any time previously. That doesn't mean we should forget the fact that a 23 year old is not a mature adult and frankly, should not be expected to be.

I trust Quinn and Gorton. We don't know ADA personally and truly have no idea what went on here. We have no idea what he is like in or out of the locker room. And people making determinations on his future and what contract we should give him based off a benching categorized as a 'small thing,' just sound like crazies.

I think the thought process behind thinking players are "adults" at ~23 is that the fans are looking at it through the lens of a hockey player's "lifespan". When players are generally out of the league by their mid-30s, fans expect, or rather just really want, guys in their early/mid 20s to be ready to take on decently-sized responsibilities to the highest degree while shoring up their deficiencies every night. When this doesn't happen, the impatience sets in just as quickly as we want them to be ahead of their time spent in the league/age in general. That's coupled with "If they did this/that/the other thing better, they would be great." Except then every player would command $10m/yr and every player would be an actual robot.
 
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You remember the Stionk bandwagon from last year ? Look at his point per game ! why you hatin Mouth ?

Now we got Tony DeangeNO. So impressive with a ton of assists in meaningless games when the team is utterly horrible.

Then when he is counted on by his teammates to show up to practice he lets them down. This guy would be a 7 on a good team. I will see you next year when DeangeNO is struggling and not getting along with the coach because this is where it is all heading. I hope he gets traded in the offseason.
 
You remember the Stionk bandwagon from last year ? Look at his point per game ! why you hatin Mouth ?

Now we got Tony DeangeNO. So impressive with a ton of assists in meaningless games when the team is utterly horrible.

Then when he is counted on by his teammates to show up to practice he lets them down. This guy would be a 7 on a good team. I will see you next year when DeangeNO is struggling and not getting along with the coach because this is where it is all heading. I hope he gets traded in the offseason.
I hope you find something to fix your depressing existence..
 
You remember the Stionk bandwagon from last year ? Look at his point per game ! why you hatin Mouth ?

Now we got Tony DeangeNO. So impressive with a ton of assists in meaningless games when the team is utterly horrible.

Then when he is counted on by his teammates to show up to practice he lets them down. This guy would be a 7 on a good team. I will see you next year when DeangeNO is struggling and not getting along with the coach because this is where it is all heading. I hope he gets traded in the offseason.

What is your opinion on Ryan Shitgren?
 
You remember the Stionk bandwagon from last year ? Look at his point per game ! why you hatin Mouth ?

Now we got Tony DeangeNO. So impressive with a ton of assists in meaningless games when the team is utterly horrible.

Then when he is counted on by his teammates to show up to practice he lets them down. This guy would be a 7 on a good team. I will see you next year when DeangeNO is struggling and not getting along with the coach because this is where it is all heading. I hope he gets traded in the offseason.

You do realize that every analytics guy was also very down on Pionk last year too, right? You keep bringing it up like you're some sort of prophet, but his fancy stats have been ass for literally his entire NHL career.
 
I rather get some value from Pionk in this summer window. No one who can pass the puck like Deangelo so he will be a goldmine with excellent feeds when Kratsov start playing and knows what to do with the puck! :)

Besides Quinn like to rotate players this season and he is kind of different compare to other NHL coaches.
 
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You remember the Stionk bandwagon from last year ? Look at his point per game ! why you hatin Mouth ?

Now we got Tony DeangeNO. So impressive with a ton of assists in meaningless games when the team is utterly horrible.

Then when he is counted on by his teammates to show up to practice he lets them down. This guy would be a 7 on a good team. I will see you next year when DeangeNO is struggling and not getting along with the coach because this is where it is all heading. I hope he gets traded in the offseason.

There's a reason everyone ignored your first post. Not only do your nicknames suck, but so does your analysis.
 
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