Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III

[JimmyG89]

Corey Sznajder, whose data is reflected in these charts, literally watches every game from past seasons and records the data. Starting and rewinding, not just turning the game on and hitting play and going right through. His full datasets are great, and are not reflected in these charts which someone else made.

He literally knows more about hockey than you ever will. I will not stand for slander against him.



You don't get to say this after the above dumb assumption.

And due to how he compiles data, we're not going to get clear representation on TDA for this season until sometime in the summer. His entries should be better than the combo chart for the past three years based on the minutes he is getting this year. He's played nearly 804 minutes at 5v5 this season alone. With the extra ice he has been getting, he should see over 1000 minutes 5v5.

I will be very curious where he sits after we get the full numbers on him. It should look solid based on his play, but he has had ups and downs. His defensive zone entry numbers should look much better. Hard for his entries to be nearly as strong, but it should still be good, given the bump in minutes and competition.

 

[Irishguy42]

And due to how he compiles data, we're not going to get clear representation on TDA for this season until sometime in the summer. His entries should be better than the combo chart for the past three years based on the minutes he is getting this year. He's played nearly 804 minutes at 5v5 this season alone. With the extra ice he has been getting, he should see over 1000 minutes 5v5.

I will be very curious where he sits after we get the full numbers on him. It should look solid based on his play, but he has had ups and downs. His defensive zone entry numbers should look much better. Hard for his entries to be nearly as strong, but it should still be good, given the bump in minutes and competition.

Yes.

Fun fact: The person who posted who posted/created those charts is NOT the same as the person who is tracking the data. That's the big gap that apparently some people are missing...

ADA's data from this season will make this chart look a lot better. Guarantee it.

 

[Chytilmania]

So let's pair him with K'Andre who is great at preventing zone entries. That would be a stellar pairing.

 

[Kovalev27]

Can you imagine if DeAngelo had a partner that could actually do something with the puck when he slings it over to him in the O zone? Tony is great at moving the puck across to staal with room who has no clue what to do with it. If he could send it to a KAndre who could actually score or make a play he’d put up even more pts.

 

[Ori]

Eight years of seeing those colossal giveaways that always lead to goals ? Please bridge him so we can trade him for a 4 th and a 7th in 2 years. Also, long term contracts on D men haven't exactly worked out in recent memory. But this 20 game wunderkin deserves 8 years. get a grip on yourself.

No, no, no we lose $ if Jeff Gorton decide to bridge him. I`m glad you not GM of New York Rangers. And you remind me of an old grumpy guy who call other names when he ran out of arguements.. I don`t think you are like that, but it don`t look good.. To say it nicely and on point; I highly doubt you have any life experience concerning a rebuild and cap management so that is that.

And you know what I can`t really recommend your podcast since we can`t be nice and have a good dicussion about the topic without name calling, that`s a no, no for men in your age.

Anyway I`ve good reasons in my speculation and Deangelo is about to have a breakthrough season in the next two years so lock Deangelowall long term! 5-6 years deal based on future cap reasons with no NMC!
So I`ll wait patiently for a good counter arguement - I enjoy playing chess, I moved a pice on the board - so I`m looking forward to a single reason why they should bridge him! hehe

I wish I was young, @The Mouth , but I`m not part of the younger generation you sometimes talk about, and I tend to agree, but it`s more about a civil dicussion about a topic related to Rangers and hockey, Oh Boy, all good!

Enjoy the weekend! )

 

[The Mouth]

No, no, no we lose $ if Jeff Gorton decide to bridge him. I`m glad you not GM of New York Rangers. And you remind me of an old grumpy guy who call other names when he ran out of arguements.. I don`t think you are like that, but it don`t look good.. To say it nicely and on point; I highly doubt you have any life experience concerning a rebuild and cap management so that is that.

And you know what I can`t really recommend your podcast since we can`t be nice and have a good dicussion about the topic without name calling, that`s a no, no for men in your age.

Anyway I`ve good reasons in my speculation and Deangelo is about to have a breakthrough season in the next two years so lock Deangelowall long term! 5-6 years deal based on future cap reasons with no NMC!
So I`ll wait patiently for a good counter arguement - I enjoy playing chess, I moved a pice on the board - so I`m looking forward to a single reason why they should bridge him! hehe

I wish I was young, @The Mouth , but I`m not part of the younger generation you sometimes talk about, and I tend to agree, but it`s more about a civil dicussion about a topic related to Rangers and hockey, Oh Boy, all good!

Enjoy the weekend! )

Absolutely No offense taken. you seem like a good egg, I wish you the best in all your future endeavors.

 

[bobbop]

D’Angelo has advanced this season beyond my expectations. He’s always been good with the puck but as the season has gone on I am more and more impressed with his puck management. He is playing close to the level of a number one offensive defenseman. Those who follow me know that’s much different than I have felt in the past.

And it’s also the good news.

Defensively, he still has a long way to go. And that’s OK. I think as he gains confidence in his standing with the team and continues to accept coaching he will improve. I doubt he will ever he a shutdown guy but he can and must improve to be a top four player on a contending team. Not just a generic top four defenseman.

Long term comittment? I’m sorry but I pass. Two year bridge with more money than Pionk? Yes, definitely.

 

[Machinehead]

Well, Pionk should make no money, so I'm definitely on board with more money than Pionk.

These bridges are more trouble than they're worth, usually.

We didn't pull that shit with Zibanejad and now he has the best contract in the league. You could argue Skjei, but we never should have given Skjei that much, bridge or not.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Well, Pionk should make no money, so I'm definitely on board with more money than Pionk.

These bridges are more trouble than they're worth, usually.

We didn't pull that **** with Zibanejad and now he has the best contract in the league. You could argue Skjei, but we never should have given Skjei that much, bridge or not.

I’m in favor of signing DeAngelo for a long deal. Probably 5 years at 3-4m

 

[Inferno]

I'd give DeAngelo 8 years at 4 mil...again, I'm a fanboy and have faith.

I'd also give pionk a 2 year bridge. I think pionk with proper usage could be a strong 3rd pair rhd.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I'd also give pionk a 2 year bridge. I think pionk with proper usage could be a strong 3rd pair rhd.

Depends on his ask, if he stands firm on a $2M+ AAV I would not give him a second year on the deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd give DeAngelo 8 years at 4 mil...again, I'm a fanboy and have faith.

I'd also give pionk a 2 year bridge. I think pionk with proper usage could be a strong 3rd pair rhd.

I'd go 6 years for ADA to keep his cap hit down. 6 years @ $3.5m per season. Takes him to 29 I believe. Prime time for a UFA.

Pionk to me, is a 2 year bridge

 

[Thirty One]

Well, Pionk should make no money, so I'm definitely on board with more money than Pionk.

These bridges are more trouble than they're worth, usually.

We didn't pull that **** with Zibanejad and now he has the best contract in the league. You could argue Skjei, but we never should have given Skjei that much, bridge or not.

Usually is the key word there. There's a large vocal group that believes they've found the secret to life is to give out 8 year deals indiscriminately after entry level contracts. Real big-brained stuff.

 

[Off Sides]

I'm not sure why ADA is signing any of these long term deal ideas?

More or less if I were him and the Rangers came up with 3.5- 4M cap hit on a long term that buys up UFA years, I'm asking them for a bridge deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not sure why ADA is signing any of these long term deal ideas?

More or less if I were him and the Rangers came up with 3.5- 4M cap hit on a long term that buys up UFA years, I'm asking them for a bridge deal.

For a guy who has had issues making the NHL roster consistently even as recently as this season and been traded twice already in his short career, the guaranteed money may look pretty good. It would to me. 6 years for $24m guaranteed?

 

[klingsor]

I'm not sure why ADA is signing any of these long term deal ideas?

More or less if I were him and the Rangers came up with 3.5- 4M cap hit on a long term that buys up UFA years, I'm asking them for a bridge deal.

I agree.

I think he'd bet on himself considering his talent and guts.

 

[Thirty One]

I'm not sure why ADA is signing any of these long term deal ideas?

More or less if I were him and the Rangers came up with 3.5- 4M cap hit on a long term that buys up UFA years, I'm asking them for a bridge deal.

He's a person who has never made more than 900K a year. The opportunity to lock in making $3.5M a year probably looks pretty good to him. Yes, he's limiting his earning potential, but the difference in quality of life has diminishing returns above a certain point.

 

[leetch99]

He's a person who has never made more than 900K a year. The opportunity to lock in making $3.5M a year probably looks pretty good to him. Yes, he's limiting his earning potential, but when the difference in quality life has diminishing returns above a certain point.

At this point the Rangers will likely overpay for him ....that is the feeling I have on that . I would sooner over pay then over extend my self on contract length . He might get 4 Million a year for 5-6 year deal . Who knows...?

 

[True Blue]

I'm not sure why ADA is signing any of these long term deal ideas?

More or less if I were him and the Rangers came up with 3.5- 4M cap hit on a long term that buys up UFA years, I'm asking them for a bridge deal.

He is playing the best that he had. He also finally appears to be wanted by an organization. That adds value. For longer term security? Not sure he goes that route.

 

[Inferno]

Usually is the key word there. There's a large vocal group that believes they've found the secret to life is to give out 8 year deals indiscriminately after entry level contracts. Real big-brained stuff.

If this is directed at me...I think DeAngelo might be the first player I've ever suggested doing it for.

 

[Thirty One]

If this is directed at me...I think DeAngelo might be the first player I've ever suggested doing it for.

No, definitely not directed at you. I would like to explore that option with DeAngelo too. And I think in a lot of cases it makes sense, but there's a sentiment out there that when you have a RFA you go long term no matter what, without considering the specific risks and rewards related to that player, or the team's cap situation and Cup window.

 

[Off Sides]

He's a person who has never made more than 900K a year. The opportunity to lock in making $3.5M a year probably looks pretty good to him. Yes, he's limiting his earning potential, but the difference in quality of life has diminishing returns above a certain point.

I think he'd be giving up anywhere from 13 to 16M over his possible next 11 year career by going 3.5 - 4M on a 6 year now.

I have no idea if he is a gambler or not, it always comes down to risk versus reward versus personality.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Bridge deal for me. 2x4m-ish, then the long term deal.

From ADA's POV:

short term: indivual rationality + modern agentdom (*gag) would suggest that ADA will aim for the highest possible contract in length and term, basically most lucrative offer.
long term: he'd like to think he'll blow up and thus demand money accordingly. 6-8 years at least 6 million per year. Fortunately it's mostly up the NYR's rationality (lol, ok I mean we've been quite rational these past 2 years ... right?) if they want to supply such an offer.

From NYR's POV:

short term: ADA makes money based on this season, we'll get to see what he really might be worth the next 2 seasons. The safe route avoiding overpaying or loosing the kid to UFA. Re-evaluate after that.
long term: cap hit aside, NYR can't be sure right now that ADA will fullfill any future terms signed upon. They can only find themselves in a bad deal or an okay deal. But they should want the right deal. In order to better estimate ADA's full potential cap hit, he'll have to develop more.

 

[Rempe73]

I'd give DeAngelo 8 years at 4 mil...again, I'm a fanboy and have faith.

I'd also give pionk a 2 year bridge. I think pionk with proper usage could be a strong 3rd pair rhd.

That’s exactly what I would do for both.

 

[effen]

Bridge ADA all day. You don't need to risk him flaking out long term to save a mil or two 4 years from now.

Much worse to give him 5/25, have to buy him out for some reason, and have him on your cap for ten years while 2024 HFNYR disavows any knowledge of supporting this DeAngelo character Gorton is a moron worst GM in the league.