Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo: Part III
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Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
Cedes the blue line so as to avoid leaving Marc Staal as the last line of defense
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
Interesting I’ll have to watch this tonight to see if the eye test matches the fancy stats
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
you really dont see him stand up and challenge guys at the blue line much at all. hes not an "engager" that way on defense. he seems to lay back in the zone some what and pursue more than challenge. he has an active stick and good body position usually allowing him to play man defense. you will see ADA take pucks away from behind alot as he can pursue and separate the puck with his skating.
where as 44 tends to just back in and back up and not engage at all.
where as 44 tends to just back in and back up and not engage at all.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
So he's let you in, taking the puck then he's the best in the league at transitioning and zone entries..So basicaly he’s Dan Girardi defending entries and Bobby Orr transitioning the puck
Welp, he’s always been a boom or bust guy, that’s really playing itself out on the ice
Sounds like a planned counter attack lol.
Or if you want to take the negative view: he gets into track meets
If he can get just mediocre at denying zone entries while maintaining his puck retrieval and breakout skills he will be undeniably a 1st pair dman. Even with those zone entry stats defensively I still think hes been a net positive while logging big minutes in 2019.
NYR Viper
Registered User
How are his overall defensive stats? Just because he doesn't deny zone entries doesn't mean he is bad at denying shots, or quality shots, etc
Blue Blooded
Most people rejected his message
Bad at preventing shots and regular scoring chances, good at preventing high-danger scoring chances. Overall he generates more offence than he allows on defence, but he is a high-event guy. Chabot is the same.
E: In 2019 he's been good at preventing all types of scoring chances and just below average at preventing shot attempts so he is improving. Also he is getting ridiculously defensive deployment.
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Beer League Sniper
Homeless Man's Rick Nash
Do odd man rushes factor into the zone entry stats?
From the eye test, it looks to me like DeAngelo has been the lone man back on a ton of odd-man rushes. Just wondering if that could be a contributing factor.
Also, it's not exactly unexpected that he would be weak at zone entry D. He's a rookie and afraid of getting torched by NHL level competition. I expect that aspect to get better. The kid is a competitor.
From the eye test, it looks to me like DeAngelo has been the lone man back on a ton of odd-man rushes. Just wondering if that could be a contributing factor.
Also, it's not exactly unexpected that he would be weak at zone entry D. He's a rookie and afraid of getting torched by NHL level competition. I expect that aspect to get better. The kid is a competitor.
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Those stats are gah-boj...and this screen shot clearly demonstrates why
What are you linking? Your chart on the right lists 6 games in 2018/2019Those stats are gah-boj...and this screen shot clearly demonstrates why
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Assessing one's ability to defend in transition and drive transition offense as a binary thing like 'either the puck was carried over the blue line or it wasn't' is dumb. These stats suck, TBH.
Sample sizes are limited, it's human recorded (by some who probably don't have advanced hockey knowledge), it doesn't adjust for how good or bad your team is. What happens if a puck carrier gets ove the line but you break up the play in the zone shortly after off the rush? These things are complete mystery boxes.
I respect the work and efforts of these people but these stats just hold no value to me, they say nothing.
The data shows TDA was 'better' in the 2 seasons prior to this one and we know that's just not true. He's made huge strides this year and this has been his best season in the league.
Sample sizes are limited, it's human recorded (by some who probably don't have advanced hockey knowledge), it doesn't adjust for how good or bad your team is. What happens if a puck carrier gets ove the line but you break up the play in the zone shortly after off the rush? These things are complete mystery boxes.
I respect the work and efforts of these people but these stats just hold no value to me, they say nothing.
The data shows TDA was 'better' in the 2 seasons prior to this one and we know that's just not true. He's made huge strides this year and this has been his best season in the league.
The chart you posted is 6 games worth of data and even comes with a warning that defenseman stabilize at 20 games played.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Corey Sznajder, whose data is reflected in these charts, literally watches every game from past seasons and records the data. Starting and rewinding, not just turning the game on and hitting play and going right through. His full datasets are great, and are not reflected in these charts which someone else made.
He literally knows more about hockey than you ever will. I will not stand for slander against him.
You don't get to say this after the above dumb assumption.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
@Filthy Dangles You messed something up with that chart for this year, that chart is only measuring 6 games worth of information from this season, not the entire season.
I think it's a little harsh to say the stats mean nothing. They don't tell the whole story but they can be used as a piece along with other pieces in forming analysis. For one, I know just from watching Tony play he does seem to be very good at successfully breaking out of the zone and through the NZ into the ozone whether it be by pass or carrying it. I can see it's a strength of his from watching him all season, now seeing this chart, whether the data is somewhat flawed or not, it at least stands as some form of numerical data to support what I see with my eyes.
I think it's a little harsh to say the stats mean nothing. They don't tell the whole story but they can be used as a piece along with other pieces in forming analysis. For one, I know just from watching Tony play he does seem to be very good at successfully breaking out of the zone and through the NZ into the ozone whether it be by pass or carrying it. I can see it's a strength of his from watching him all season, now seeing this chart, whether the data is somewhat flawed or not, it at least stands as some form of numerical data to support what I see with my eyes.
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So the stats still suck? The season is almost over and we don't even have 1/3 of the supposed necessary sample size....
Yep, one guy can "literally" watch and re-wind every game of the season (1300 games). That's why we have a 6 game sample size for TDA this season.
Vinny DeAngelo
Jimmy Easy to defend
1271 Games a year at 60 minutes per game(not including OT)
1271*1= 1271 Hours of NHL hockey
1271/24 = 52.96 Days
I highly doubt they are spending the minimum ~53 days a year to take these stats down just to post this information for free on the internet...
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The Crypto Guy
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Those stats are gah-boj...and this screen shot clearly demonstrates why
6 games?
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Why don't you try doing some research on Corey and find out yourself instead of just blindly assuming something.
You and @Filthy Dangles just ain't on the correct side here.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
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