Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo - Part II
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Uhh no that’s not why he was the fill in if he were playing he’d be slotted next to staal in practice. Is this like what you actually think?
Doesn’t work that way
Rempe73
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But Pionk can also skate. Besides, if Quinn sees that Staal-ADA have chemistry, and intends to play them together, why split that up, even during practice? Isn’t the point of practice to get ready for the games? Why place Pionk next to Staal if ADA is going to play with him? This shows me that the coach wants Staal-Pionk back together, and I’m not a fan of that.
He was rotating with smith and Shattenkirk all practice as an extra. Jumping is as a forward as an extra
Where he should have been is next to staal like he had been for 2 weeks and we were winning games while being our best dman. Not a fill in as a RW in practice
Where he should have been is next to staal like he had been for 2 weeks and we were winning games while being our best dman. Not a fill in as a RW in practice
Sorry, I thought it had something to do with last night, given how half of your post was about that. You know, Pionk coming back, taking ADA's spot and us losing as a result. Sorry though, just poor reading comprehension on my part.
The rest of the stuff about Quinn and his decision-making process, I've covered elsewhere.
I'll show myself out.
The only reason to keep staal Pionk together is to lose as many games as possible.
By the way Pionk getting PK time instead of Brendan Smith is also absurd. I don’t get the fascination with this kid
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Because it's practice and Pionk was out with an injury and needs reps. Not everything is an anti-DeAngelo conspiracy.
He's definitely harder on him than other guys, but those other guys 1) are vets he trusts more for the same reasons every coach ever does and at some point you just gotta bow to a hundred years of that and 2) the org probably thinks ADA will have plenty of time to play after they trade McQuaid which bodes well if you spend a half a second not anger bearing about it
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ADA is probably not playing with Staal next game but I do think he's in the lineup.
Rempe73
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I’m holding onto the hope that because Quinn sees something in DeAngelo and expects more out of him, that he can play better if he’s harder on him.
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Dude's no dummy, has scratched a variety of people and been fairly hard on guys he *should* be chummy with like Shattenkirk but that gets ignored.
He's also visibly and clearly nice guy pat-on-the-back with someone like Vesey and previously Spooner who seems to needs the baby treatment. So it's not like he's once size fits all everyone go be a grinder meathead.
Rempe73
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I guess, but all I want are answers. Why does ADA usually seem like the odd man out? What is he doing at practice? What is the issue?
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I think you're asking for too much in that regard. I can think of no better way to alienate a locker room than to out what goes on in it or put your players on blast with specific issues.
There's a reason he told Buchnevich to "play better", and not just because it's pithy, it's because it's vague.
Rempe73
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How is “he needs to play better” a vague statement? Also, we can at least see on the ice that Buch isn’t putting in as much effort as he could be. We see at least some of his problems. With DeAngelo, I don’t know what it is. He’s playing pretty well, he’s being physical, and he’s putting in effort.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Seems like there will be 12 forwards in the lineup tomorrow, so I doubt this. Hopefully the can trade McQuaid soon, this is ridiculous.
Rangers continually will go with the try hard guy over the skill guy. This is so typical and it’s gotten us no where.
Weird I thought you said he was just letting Pionk get mins in practice cause he needed them
haohmaru
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I'm not even a big Tony D guy but even I'm scratching my head at him not being in the lineup tonight.
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If it's not McQuaid, it'll be the next asshole.
This team will go out of their way to keep talent out of the lineup.
What the Rangers actually need is more talent, so that "try hard" is no longer a variable, no longer something that is bandied about regarding performance on players who might not meet the required bar height (see 'talent'). I know what you are saying, but really this kind of talk will go on forever until the Rangers have two stud defensemen, which is minimum for a Cup worthy team.
Edit: yes I do think ADA is talented. Very much so. Is he one of these future mainstay core D-men? I hope so but that part is not figured out yet. He should definitely find a permanent place on an NHL team, hopefully NYR
And yes, ADA has earned way more ice time than Pionk.
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Well, that pretty much explains it. It's not performance related. The kid has plenty of talent....
I'm glad this came out, even though it's still somewhat vague. A couple weeks ago I poked around on this as I said I would and all I really heard was that the kid was a hot head who showed maturity issues across the board and they're trying to break him of them.
It runs contrary to the whole "play your best players" thing but we're at a point as a franchise where we can afford to not do that, in the name of setting expectations and building a "Rangers way to play." I know that's not okay with some people but I'm good with it, especially as we rebuild.
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