Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo (MOD WARNINGS: Post #12/#900)

[The Crypto Guy]

Okay so let's not speculate. ADA got benched for a good bit. Why? Provide me some sort of concrete evidence in your answer. Not this "everyone has an unreasonable expectation that he play really well despite being young" stuff. Like, something factual. A quote, a report, etc.

You can't demand other people speak only in facts when you yourself don't really provide any.

It's fine to speculate when you say your speculating or clearly just giving an opinion, TB posts his stuff like he either has inside info or, completely over blowing speculative stuff which does nothing but spread more false information about the kid. And hey, look quinn just said " He’s been very coachable.” that sure doesn't sound like a player who has trouble "acting and playing the way he wants". So yes,i will back and SPECULATE the reason he was benched was to just play more veteran players.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Shattenkirk has been pretty poor and not really contributing much no offense. McQuaid has played a decent third pairing D.

If we're talking about playing time to build up assets, he shouldn't play over Shattenkirk. A half as productive Shattenkirk is still better. McQuaid has zero offense, and we're here saying he's ok as a 3rd pair - so we're all agreeing he's not good defensively either.

He's just not someone who has to get in this lineup as a RHD - for any reason really.

 

[nyr2k2]

It's fine to speculate when you say your speculating or clearly just giving an opinion, TB posts his stuff like he either has inside info or, completely over blowing speculative stuff which does nothing but spread more false information about the kid. And hey, look quinn just said " He’s been very coachable.” that sure doesn't sound like a player who has trouble "acting and playing the way he wants". So yes,i will back and SPECULATE the reason he was benched was to just play more veteran players.

Cool.

I'll speculate that he's had some kind of issue at basically every stop, including with AV, and that whatever issue Quinn had wasn't arbitrary. I think the history of the player and the brief history of the coach supports this.

But whatever, I don't care anymore. Hopefully he gets himself right and has a great career for us.

 

[True Blue]

You've become so fixated over Quinns 1 liner about ADA and really have overblown it with nothing else to back it up but speculation. That's all.

Quinn's 1 liner about ADA and what he has stressed all along about the way he demands his players play and practice. That's what I have. Your turn.

 

[True Blue]

If we're talking about playing time to build up assets, he shouldn't play over Shattenkirk. A half as productive Shattenkirk is still better. McQuaid has zero offense, and we're here saying he's ok as a 3rd pair - so we're all agreeing he's not good defensively either.

He's just not someone who has to get in this lineup as a RHD - for any reason really.

Being a third line capable defenseman does not mean being a poor defensive player. One need not have offensive skills to be a good third line pairing defenseman.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Quinn's 1 liner about ADA and what he has stressed all along about the way he demands his players play and practice. That's what I have. Your turn.

Quinn today: "ADA is a very coachable player"

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[True Blue]

It's fine to speculate when you say your speculating or clearly just giving an opinion, TB posts his stuff like he either has inside info or, completely over blowing speculative stuff which does nothing but spread more false information about the kid.

My inside info is confined to what everyone (certain notables aside of course) inside info is. Things we read and then try to piece together. Don't give me this crap about spreading false information about the kid. That is what we do here. Receive information and try to put the tea leaves together.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

My inside info is confined to what everyone (certain notables aside of course) inside info is. Things we read and then try to piece together. Don't give me this crap about spreading false information about the kid. That is what we do here. Receive information and try to put the tea leaves together.

Quinn today: "ADA is a very coachable player"

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[True Blue]

Quinn today: "ADA is a very coachable player"

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Bringing something from today when we were discussing items from prior weeks does not a validation make

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't think McQuaid needs to play much. It won't impact his trade value if he plays 30 or 60 games. He's a known quantity. Scouts will watch him and be like, "Can he still skate? Ok, all we need to know." He's not really someone that needs to play a lot to be showcased. He's the grizzled, battle-tested, good locker room guy, veteran 3rd-pair defenseman.

Any concerns about him not playing a lot--the other teams understand where the Rangers are with a rebuild and playing youth and all that.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Bringing something from today when we were discussing items from prior weeks does not a validation make

Haha dude, give it up.

Your "speculating" that ADA did not act, or practice the way the coach wanted because of 1 comment that didn't even say that, and that why he was benched, and now you are slammed in the face with a FACT that he thinks ADA is very coachable and you still can't admit your little speculation was wrong.

 

[Tawnos]

Haha dude, give it up.

Your "speculating" that ADA did not act, or practice the way the coach wanted because of 1 comment that didn't even say that, and that why he was benched, and now you are slammed in the face with a FACT that he thinks ADA is very coachable and you still can't admit your little speculation was wrong.

This is why I had speculated it was more of an execution problem. Having the player scratched for 8 games, saying he knows what he needs to do, then having him come into the lineup, execute, and have the coach mention he's coachable... all of that points to him not performing, as opposed to not trying or trying wrong. The coach has been trying to teach him what to do in practice, and now he is in games. Coachability is what allows that.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Being a third line capable defenseman does not mean being a poor defensive player. One need not have offensive skills to be a good third line pairing defenseman.

I meant great defensively. He's nothing to write home about. Shattenkirk and Smith as a 3rd pairing, with Shattenkirk on PP is far more effective to me.

There's just no benefit, short or long term to him playing. It's nothing against him - he just doesn't fit in any plan. I get why they wanted a vet RHD b/c the position is/was a big question mark. But he should just be the one in the press box watching until he's traded.

 

[Off Sides]

Does the "this guy" come off as good or bad in that quote?

Like an endearing "this guy" I love this guy,

or the other "this guy"

 

[True Blue]

Haha dude, give it up.

Your "speculating" that ADA did not act, or practice the way the coach wanted because of 1 comment that didn't even say that, and that why he was benched, and now you are slammed in the face with a FACT that he thinks ADA is very coachable and you still can't admit your little speculation was wrong.

I am SLAMMED that you have tried to justify how he should not have been benched a few weeks ago with a comment on how he played yesterday, AFTER the benching? Nice try. Keep at it. Oh, wait. I forgot. Your assertion was that Quinn just treated him unfairly when compared to other players.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I am SLAMMED that you have tried to justify how he should not have been benched a few weeks ago with a comment on how he played yesterday, AFTER the benching? Nice try. Keep at it. Oh, wait. I forgot. Your assertion was that Quinn just treated him unfairly when compared to other players.

Dude, give it up, you cant win them all.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I am SLAMMED that you have tried to justify how he should not have been benched a few weeks ago with a comment on how he played yesterday, AFTER the benching? Nice try. Keep at it. Oh, wait. I forgot. Your assertion was that Quinn just treated him unfairly when compared to other players.

Yeah...

He wasnt too stable during the pre season when I said Pionk looked good.

I’m not sure you will get a sensible answer.

 

[Overcast]

You've become so fixated over Quinns 1 liner about ADA and really have overblown it with nothing else to back it up but speculation. That's all.

This a battle of the 1-liners. "He knows what he has to do" vs. "He's coachable". Which will win? Neither are going to open the floodgates of knowledge about player or coach, but both provide some relatively important information at the crossroads that they were said. Call it being gullible and hopeful, but I'm glad Quinn was confident enough to say that he's a coachable player to the public at large because we sorely need what he provides, and for all intents and purposes should be a good sign after being a healthy scratch for 8 or 9 games. What I think is a better sign of the temperature of that dynamic is that ADA is consistently playing now and producing.

On the flip side, Quinn saying ADA is coachable doesn't preclude ADA from having dogged it in prior practices. ADA dogging it in prior practices doesn't mean Quinn hates him forever and will never change his stance on him, or that ADA couldn't earn himself an extended stay in the lineup.

Quinn wanted to give him a kick in the ass - very clearly, for something ADA was doing or not doing somewhere along the line based on his other quote - and it seems to be paying off. I'm happy with that being the one fact we (hopefully) all can agree on.

 

[Bluto]

I like ADA

 

[True Blue]

Dude, give it up, you cant win them all.

Says the guy who tried to justify a player being scratched two weeks ago with a comment that was made about his play in his very last game.

Presenting a very powerful rejoinder. Can you answer these questions with a yes or no? They are very, very simple questions.

1. Is it or is it not fact that until recently ADA was both scratched and has been benched?
2. Is it or is it not fact that that Quinn has made it crystal clear to his players about what he demands?
3. Is it or is it not fact that Quinn has gone on record to state that he spoke to ADA about some sort of issue?

Let's recall the debate. You stated that Quinn scratched him for lack of great performance and thus was being treated unfairly. Once you answer the above, please proceed to justify how Quinn's comment about ADA in his very last game supports your axiom. Fairly simple and straight forward.

 

[Off Sides]

How can we know what Quinn is demanding, or what specifically he and ADA have talked about? We can speculate based on a couple of his quotes but specifically we do not know anything as those quotes have all been vague or stuff any coach would be saying to the media. Is there a coach out there who says I don't care if they work hard?

Really I think Quinn just did not really like ADA, that may be based on what he perceived as his personality, his past, or about his game. Is Quinn's perception perfect as a new to the team and NHL coach? Maybe he went in not liking something and was not willing to adjust his perception until injuries arrived? Maybe that perception remains but he has limited options not to play ADA?

Compound that with the Rangers gushing about acquiring McQuaid from both a managerial and coaching level, gushing about Pionk and having Shattenkirk and it puts the Rangers and ADA is a strange place.

From my point of view the McQuaid acquisition was unnecessary and now that he is injured it's kind of showing the Rangers really did not need to make that trade. All it seems to have done is complicate the development of the RD.

Actually I kind of wonder what will happen when McQuaid is healthy again. Seems like if the Rangers are trying to uncomplicate things at center, it would be consistent if they did so at RD as well. Given Smith and Claesson can both also play RD it's not as if they would be moving away all their RD options by moving a natural RD away. If the player moved is ADA instead of McQuaid or Shattenkirk I'd find that inconsistent with a rebuild but at the very least they'd be getting a returning asset instead of just letting ADA just fade away behind all the other RDs.

 

[offdacrossbar]

ADA is playing well. this back and forth is silly

hes played 7 games

his line is

2/3/5 +6

hes solid. hes skilled. his defense is WAY UNDERTATED. hes playing well with 76. since hes returned the team is winning.

lets move on

 

[CaptBagel]

Was never a big ADA fan
But he's been one of our best players
I'm glad he has proven me wrong(so far)

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It's fine to speculate when you say your speculating or clearly just giving an opinion, TB posts his stuff like he either has inside info or, completely over blowing speculative stuff which does nothing but spread more false information about the kid. And hey, look quinn just said " He’s been very coachable.” that sure doesn't sound like a player who has trouble "acting and playing the way he wants". So yes,i will back and SPECULATE the reason he was benched was to just play more veteran players.

So the backbone of your stance is one quote and you're making the same type of mistake you accused TB of making. You are assuming one answer must be correct even though multiple interpretations are possible.

That quote could easily be interpreted as a coach just playing the media game instead of airing a player's dirty laundry out there because doing so would benefit no one.

It could also be that he's coachable but he had a LONG way to go on certain aspects so he was held out while being coached.

It's also possible that he was targeted for scratching just to play vets when no other young player was targeted for this reason.
Sounds really shaky but it's possible

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Does the "this guy" come off as good or bad in that quote?

Like an endearing "this guy" I love this guy,

or the other "this guy"

They're asking the same thing in Miami about Ryan Tannehill's mystery injury.

"Why don't you go ask the guy?" -coach Gates or whatever the f*** his name is when asked about Tannehill's injury.