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Player Discussion Tony DeAngelo (MOD WARNINGS: Post #12/#900)

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Rongomania said:
Rocked Riley Nash and then repeatedly punched him in the face after he wanted some. LOL keep provin’ ‘em wrong Tony!
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Actually I think Nash wanted no part of a fight - with anyone - at that time. I was impressed with ADA for starting something and also impressed with Nash for taking the challenge despite it not being in his or his team’s best interests. Respect for both combatants there.
 
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egelband said:
Actually I think Nash wanted no part of a fight - with anyone - at that time. I was impressed with ADA for starting something and also impressed with Nash for taking the challenge despite it not being in his or his team’s best interests. Respect for both combatants there.
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I guess I misread the scene - it looked like he got him good, held Nash and roughed him up for a second, Nash got pissed, started talking and Tony dropped ‘em, not letting Nash skate away like a baby and made him answer the bell or look like a puss in front of his team and crowd. Smart move by Tony. Also knowing that Columbus got away with a lot throughout the night. I remember Seth Jones with a mighty nasty hit from behind on Lias too before that or near it somewhere. Nash is also no pushover from what I remember too, torts kinda guy. Can’t wait to watch this kids progression. It’s great so far.
 
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Rongomania said:
I guess I misread the scene - it looked like he got him good, held Nash and roughed him up for a second, Nash got pissed, started talking and Tony dropped ‘em, not letting Nash skate away like a baby and made him answer the bell or look like a puss in front of his team and crowd. Smart move by Tony. Also knowing that Columbus got away with a lot throughout the night. I remember Seth Jones with a mighty nasty hit from behind on Lias too before that or near it somewhere. Nash is also no pushover from what I remember too, torts kinda guy. Can’t wait to watch this kids progression. It’s great so far.
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Seemed to me that ADA was the aggressor 100%. But I only noticed them after it started to go down. I wasn’t following it throughout. You may be absolutely right. It just seemed to me that ADA had a bee in his bonnet. Which is fine, sometimes. He didn’t do anything dirty or embarrassing. He was just playing hard-ass hockey. Which the Rangers need, sometimes. And I love it.
 
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bobbop said:
D'Angelo remindst me of Matthieu Schneider...when he’s mad he plays better. And he handles the puck just as well.
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There’s a name that you don’t hear a lot anymore - that guy was a great hockey player, I just must have not followed him closely enough to remember his ‘edge’ definitely a great passer/dman.


egelband said:
Seemed to me that ADA was the aggressor 100%. But I only noticed them after it started to go down. I wasn’t following it throughout. You may be absolutely right. It just seemed to me that ADA had a bee in his bonnet. Which is fine, sometimes. He didn’t do anything dirty or embarrassing. He was just playing hard-ass hockey. Which the Rangers need, sometimes. And I love it.
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Yeah, I mean I definitely understand the ‘don’t take a major penalty with 8 mins to go in a tie game’ crowd for sure. Just two things:

1. It’s a game in November, not a game 7.

2. He is 23 and will grow up some, just like he has been.

Let him keep that fire and disperse it more intelligently throughout the years. If he stays this guy were watching him hopefully develop into, well that’s a type of dman we are in dire need of. You can bet he fired the team up too.

Also, anyone see him do a pretty damn good job of limiting the space almost entirely of his future teammate breadman in OT?
 
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egelband said:
Yes. He was like Panarin’s shadow there. Panarin was skating around looking to make something happen but ADA was right with him stride-for-stride. ADA is very smooth on his feet.
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It was just so refreshing for a kid with a ton of expectations - very impressive. I just really like that everything we were all saying - ‘best case scenario is this or that’ & ‘this is what he needs to do to not be on his 4th team at 23’ has all come to fruition- so far.

Oh right, 7 in 9 !
 
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Really impressed with what he has turned his game into. Question for the people that followed him during the draft. Was this the type of player scouts were expecting him to become? What kept him from reaching this stage earlier in his career?
 
Speedtrials said:
Really impressed with what he has turned his game into. Question for the people that followed him during the draft. Was this the type of player scouts were expecting him to become? What kept him from reaching this stage earlier in his career?
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If I remember correctly, he was talked about almost exactly like Merkley was. He had elite potential, and was projected to possibly become a top pairing defenseman if things fell into place. He was seen as boom or bust. He had issues defending. He had a temper and an attitude.

What kept him from reaching this stage earlier? A few things. The biggest thing ADA had going against him was himself. When things were going well for his team, he was a great player and had a good attitude. But as soon as things went south, he got angry, emotional, and hard to coach. Coaches had trouble with him, from what I’ve read. That, coupled with poor defending, is a one-way ticket to being healthy scratched. The other thing was, his offense seemed to have stagnated. This is because coaches wanted him to focus on improving his defense, which kind of stalled his offensive development. And it only made him mediocre (instead of terrible) at defense for the time being. When he was in juniors, he already had NHL-ready offensive ability, so that ability couldn’t have gotten that much better (because it was already so good). But he was always a great passer and had a very good wrister. His slapper never developed into a weapon, though.

I don’t know how he became good defensively this year. He must have worked his ass off in the off-season.
 
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Really impressed with what he has turned his game into. Question for the people that followed him during the draft. Was this the type of player scouts were expecting him to become? What kept him from reaching this stage earlier in his career?
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I wasn't really following the draft back then but I think a lot of the reasons he went lower in the draft was questions about his defense as well as controversies about his personality. Similar to Ryan Merkley from last year.
He had the talent there were just a lot questions about him.
 
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Really impressed with what he has turned his game into. Question for the people that followed him during the draft. Was this the type of player scouts were expecting him to become? What kept him from reaching this stage earlier in his career?
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Was seen as extremely skilled, but very raw.

The offense and the playmaking ability were top notch, but there were questions about defense, discipline, and how his game would translate as an undersized defenseman.

ADA has always played with an edge to his game --- the question was whether he could bring that edge at the higher levels and learn to walk the line.

I will tell you that based on everything I've heard over the last several years in the pros, his personality has never been an issue. The issue was always whether or not his raw potential could be harnessed and channeled.

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The second narrative I push back against is that he was a throw-in in the Arizona deal. That is also incorrect. The Rangers were well aware of what they were giving up and well aware of what they were looking to get back. ADA was a player they identified as having top-four potential and someone they wanted. They also knew that were trading for futures and there was absolutely no guarantees with ADA or with their first round pick. But coming out of that draft, the Rangers felt strongly that they had a chance at a top 6 forward and a top 4 defenseman.
 
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bobbop said:
ADA’s attention to defensive detail has been leaps and bounds better than what I have seen in the past and even better than the first couple of games this year. Hat tip to the player and the coaches.
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Agreed. Add to it that his game is built for today's NHL. Quick skating d-men with quick feet (not necessarily fast) are at a premium today. That's why so many European trained d-men are excelling. Plus ADA has always been a great passer who normally makes the right read.

The Pens started this transition 3 years ago by adding every quick skating d-men they could find and look what happened. ADA should be here to stay.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
The Sewell Pyschopath will go with anyone anytime. I knew he was going to drop them as soon as Nash looked back at him.

He needs to calm the F down but other than that I love everything about his game.
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Bullshit calm down. I love this ballsy kid. Keep doing just that

Stepan for ADA and Anderson. (Plus the cap
Space). Big win for Rangers
 
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