Speculation: Tomas Hertl

[One Winged Angel]

I mean Hertl did have covid.

He may have had it, but he didn’t suffer nearly as bad as Zibanejad did. He had 20 points through his first 26 games, which is on line for about his normal numbers.

 

[bernmeister]

1st + Barron

no

Swap Barron for Zac Jones and I’d do it

yes

Just did this not long ago
Value of: - Tomas Hertl

1st, Chytil, Schneider

hell no

let's remember something.
IF IF IF
his health holds up, he could be 3-4 yrs productive, anything more is gravy.

But that is a HUGE IF

he's had work done on both knees, + other issues, right?

Rangers won’t be able to commit to Hertl unless they plan on letting Zibanejad walk, which is asinine.

yes, but that is an exclusive issue up to Zib

regardless of Hertl in/out of the picture, Zib can go SHORT TERM ONLY 3-4 years max, overpaid at 10 per, which we can swing dealing Strome this year and hopefully Trouba after this season, like 1 or so years ahead of schedule.
In exchange for the overpay, Zib has zero nmc, and limited ntc
If he doesn't want to go there, sell high now, buh bye

No huge or even large $$ contracts for people pushing or over mid 30s.

 

[Dicdonya]

Fringe 1C as in bottom tier 1C/high end 2C. He isn’t an upper echelon 1C. What do you not understand here or what are you arguing? Find something else to be upset about what I said was completely true

No, you are completely wrong in saying Hertl is a fringe 1c. He is without question solidly a 1c.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Not a true 1C in terms of an elite 1C. Just like how their aren’t 32 number 1 defensemen in the league

So you don't know what numbers mean? Got it.

 

[Lays]

So you don't know what numbers mean? Got it.

Anyone that knows hockey will tell you there aren’t 32 1C’s and 1D’s in the league. You must be new

 

[BWJM]

Hertl is a fantastic player, I'm sure he's highly valued.

This is the time to move him. Can't see the Sharks being a contender anytime soon and he's in his late 20's. Really no surprise if he actually wants to be moved.

 

[Irie]

I like Zibanejad a lot but I would never say hes better than Hertl. Unless your a strictly counting stats guy I dont know how you could

They are very different players.

I could absolutely argue that Zibanejad is better than Hertl at certain aspects of the game. It really depends how a team is built - if your team needs more creative scoring on a top line and first PP unit, Zibanejad is your guy.

Personally, if i am building a team, I would take Hertl over Zibs, but do not discount the fact that some teams absolutely would be better with Zibanejad than Hertl.

 

[CupInSIX]

If Vegas ownership had a shred of patience they'd keep enough cap space to sign him in a year.

 

[BB88]

Someone didnt read the article and doesnt know the player. Fringe 1c lol

You consider him as framchise C?

 

[Mrfenn92]

no


yes


hell no

let's remember something.
IF IF IF
his health holds up, he could be 3-4 yrs productive, anything more is gravy.

But that is a HUGE IF

he's had work done on both knees, + other issues, right?



yes, but that is an exclusive issue up to Zib

regardless of Hertl in/out of the picture, Zib can go SHORT TERM ONLY 3-4 years max, overpaid at 10 per, which we can swing dealing Strome this year and hopefully Trouba after this season, like 1 or so years ahead of schedule.
In exchange for the overpay, Zib has zero nmc, and limited ntc
If he doesn't want to go there, sell high now, buh bye

No huge or even large $$ contracts for people pushing or over mid 30s.

Reality says Zibanejad will be getting 7 or 8 years above $7.5 million aav and probably above

 

[Kcoyote3]

You consider him as framchise C?

I consider him a C that you can win a Stanley Cup with if he's in your top 2 and a C of equal or greater value is your other C. Basically if you have two Tomas Hertl's as your top two centers, you can win a cup with the right pieces around him.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I don’t think SJ trades their better assets unless they can attach a retained dog shit contract to it. They have to start off loading the toxic assets before they can even rebuild.

 

[Captain97]

I consider him a C that you can win a Stanley Cup with if he's in your top 2 and a C of equal or greater value is your other C. Basically if you have two Tomas Hertl's as your top two centers, you can win a cup with the right pieces around him.

Which is why I want him a 1-2 punch of Hertl Suzuki could do damage with the wingers the Habs have.

 

[Lt Dan]

So, OP posts insanely misleading interpretation of situation, says he wants player, then doesn't make an offer himself but proceeds to criticize any offers, proves he doesn't have any clue what Hertl brings to the table, AND ignores supporting evidence of previous conversations where many people agreed upon said players's value, all within 25 posts? Pretty impressive self-kneecapping, I'd say.

Just another day here at HFboards

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Just did this not long ago
Value of: - Tomas Hertl

1st, Chytil, Schneider

Not for a guy who is going to need a contract.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He may have had it, but he didn’t suffer nearly as bad as Zibanejad did. He had 20 points through his first 26 games, which is on line for about his normal numbers.

I don't see how anyone can be certain of any such thing. Hertl suffered badly when he was out with COVID as plenty did when they had it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don’t think SJ trades their better assets unless they can attach a retained dog shit contract to it. They have to start off loading the toxic assets before they can even rebuild.

There's no reason to since they were able to have the 3rd and 7th overall picks with every single one of those contracts on the books. Kane and Hertl were easily their two best players this past season. If Kane is out and there's not much out there to replace him, they can easily see a similar result depending on what kind of goaltending they get out of Hill and Reimer.

 

[GuerinUp]

I would imagine IF san jose was forced to trade him (which i think theyd be quite hesitant on), the wild would put a pretty decent package together that would beat a fair amount of teams for him.

 

[CupInSIX]

I would imagine IF san jose was forced to trade him (which i think theyd be quite hesitant on), the wild would put a pretty decent package together that would beat a fair amount of teams for him.

Doesn't he have a 28 team NTC? Just need to beat out 2 other offers.

 

[Groo]

Not for a guy who is going to need a contract.

Was already agreed to. I mentioned it was with the understand that the Rangers and Hertl can reach an understanding.

 

[TGWL]

Yes and it was discussed and agreed to with the understanding of an extension being worked on on NY's end. I know that not everybody was on board but such is the nature of this place

Depending on the contract, sure, that changes everything.

 

[Czechboy]

I consider him a C that you can win a Stanley Cup with if he's in your top 2 and a C of equal or greater value is your other C. Basically if you have two Tomas Hertl's as your top two centers, you can win a cup with the right pieces around him.

I think this is the best take personally... seems like a lot of terms are being tossed around
1C
Elite 1C
Fringe 1C
Legit 2C
Top 15 is elite C
Top 32 is not

For the Czechs he is a Top 2C (with Krejci) and I'm not sure if he is 1 or 2 and don't think it matters much as long as he's getting his minutes. If he went to my Oil, I'd want him as a 2C.

I also don't think he'd be a 1C for Canada, US, Sweden or Finland going into the Olympics. I'm not even sure he'd make the US or Canadian roster.

So I get the semantics and will say he is not a tippy top guy like McDavid or Mack. I will say though that he is a C that you can win a cup with. He'd be in the top 6 of almost every franchise in the NHL.

What sucks for him is that he hit his prime at the same time as injuries, covid and the sharks decline happened.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Doesn't he have a 28 team NTC? Just need to beat out 2 other offers.

Only if he holds to that. Typically, DW will look to expand his options in the final year of a deal on someone he's looking to trade. Doesn't mean Hertl will do so but he likely would.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Was already agreed to. I mentioned it was with the understand that the Rangers and Hertl can reach an understanding.

What was agreed to, Chris?

 

[Groo]

What was agreed to, Chris?

1st,Chytil and Schneider for Hertl with the understanding the Rangers can reach an agreement with Hertl