Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[Kcoyote3]

You and Sheng should do a podcast that's just the two of you staring into your cameras looking sad for 20 minutes while melancholy acoustic guitar music plays softly in the background.

It might be that. We are recording after Grier’s media availability later today

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

Don't underrate how this will also destroy team morale, cementing us last place.

Tank is on!

 

[Hodge]

We didn't get anything of substantial value, we got the 30thish overall pick and a projected bottom 6 center

At that rate just keep the bad contract for the veteran leader

And get nothing? How does that help the rebuild at all?

 

[TheBeard]

And get nothing? How does that help the rebuild at all?

Because even an old, broken Hertl will give us more production than we'll probably get from Edstrom and a late first.

 

[Hobocop]

I just hate he went to Vegas but good Lord, so much flare for dramatics over fanhood over this deal

I mean, I do hate that this happened, but the opposing side in this thread seems to be "You guys are idiots for having emotions," which is most definitely going to lead to lots of constructive discussion.

 

[sharski]

I wish I had something smart to say right about now but I’m just kind of sad tbh

for the next podcast episode covering this, i really want you to go full blown Sharks After Dark style, take off your media hats, have a few drinks, and cover it like a couple dudes at a sports bar just mourning like the rest of us

 

[Hodge]

Because even an old, broken Hertl will give us more production than we'll probably get from Edstrom and a late first.

In the next few seasons, sure. But why should we care about that?

 

[Lebanezer]

No retention slots for just over a year, at which point the Burns retention comes off the books. But it's not like we even have anyone else on the roster worth retaining on.

The 1st is unprotected and Edstrom projects as a useful bottom six center who was a recent 1st himself and is a 19 year old who has already been playing pro hockey for 2 seasons.

The realities of the length of Hertl's contract, Hertl's age, Hertl's production and his extremely limited NTC/NMC rendered his trade value neutral or negative. The difference in value between 1st+Edstrom and two 3rds is the value of retaining ~$1.3M/yr for the next 6 years.

While these are valid points, it's just a list of hypotheticals and requires them to go the way you expect. The first has to hit, Edstrom has to be useful, Hertl has to decline significantly, the salary obtained by moving him has to be used in the right way. Why even make this deal, it's not that helpful.

This seemed like a trade just to make a trade. And based on what Grier has done in his tenure with his signings and trades, I don't have much faith in him or his staff knowing how to build a team.

 

[TheBeard]

Sharks also traded Ohoktiuk to Calgary so I officially have no idea what Grier is doing anymore.

 

[weastern bias]

And get nothing? How does that help the rebuild at all?

You get to keep a valuable leader who can teach and insulate your young players so they aren't overexposed on the worst team in the league

I hope Smith doesn't come to us next year, because if we thought the 2024 Sharks were bad just wait until we play next year without Hertl all season, Will Smith or Filip Bystedt, or William Eklund or "name any young center in the organization" is going to get eaten alive

 

[TheBeard]

In the next few seasons, sure. But why should we care about that?

Because at a certain point you need to give the fans a reason to stay involved. Hertl was still the face of this franchise, and you basically dumped him as a business decision in the hopes it'll pay off in half a decade. This isn't Toronto or Montreal or NY where you can withstand the downtimes.

 

[rideaucrusher21]

You stuck around for Doug Wilson and his loser son destroying the team for half a decade, but this trade is what sends you over the edge?

bro, let me just be sad and vent

 

[one2gamble]

That

In the next few seasons, sure. But why should we care about that?

why do we care about the late first we got for a first line center with retention?

Shit, he probably could have packaged the two thirds for something in the top half the 2nd round on their own.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Sharks also traded Ohoktiuk to Calgary so I officially have no idea what Grier is doing anymore.

For a 5th.

Pretty meaningless, but seems like a pointless trade.

 

[Skeksis25]

Grier loves to do a bunch of super low value for low value deals to look competent, then does this. Lame.

 

[LilLeeroy]

We didn't get anything of substantial value, we got the 30thish overall pick and a projected bottom 6 center

At that rate just keep the bad contract for the veteran leader

Vegas right now is 19th right now and is going all in this year, and their big addition is a nearly completely washed Hertl who will be taking up 6+ million in cap space on an incredibly cap strapped team. Acting like the pick might as well be worthless is moronic.

 

[Coffee]

ENOUGH with the negativity, please

 

[LilLeeroy]

For a 5th.

Pretty meaningless, but seems like a pointless trade.

Because they need to open a spot for Mukh?

 

[TheBeard]

I'm shocked Shakir is still with the Sharks to be honest.

 

[Pavelski2112]

ENOUGH with the negativity, please

Nah

 

[The Nemesis]

It might be that. We are recording after Grier’s media availability later today

I would laugh so hard if you actually did it. I even found appropriate royalty free music:

 

[Coffee]

Do people forget we have Will Smith? Jesus

 

[Hodge]

Because at a certain point you need to give the fans a reason to stay involved. Hertl was still the face of this franchise, and you basically dumped him as a business decision in the hopes it'll pay off in half a decade. This isn't Toronto or Montreal or NY where you can withstand the downtimes.

Fans haven't been involved for almost a decade at this point. They aren't coming back until the Sharks are contenders again which certainly wasn't happening with Hertl making 8.1M/year into his mid 30s.

This trade clears the vast majority of that cap hit and gets us an unprotected 1st and a prospect who comfortably slots into the top 5 in our system. This is what rebuilding looks like, and this is why you don't sign players on the verge of turning 30 to 8-year contracts.

 

[OrrNumber4]

This one hurts.

 

[weastern bias]

Vegas right now is 19th right now and is going all in this year, and their big addition is a nearly completely washed Hertl who will be taking up 6+ million in cap space on an incredibly cap strapped team. Acting like the pick might as well be worthless is moronic.

Vegas' biggest area of need was a top-6 center, they now added one

They aren't missing the playoffs, so that pick isn't going to be in the top half of the draft, best case scenario is we find a gem late in the 1st, but you just can't expect that to happen consistently

I never said it was "worthless", I said it wasn't substantial value, and to me it needed to be great value to be worth helping Vegas

But it's no big deal, it's not like Mike traded them their starting goalie on their cup winning team a year ago, I'm sure Hertl won't be of value to VGK