Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[TheWayToRefJose]

"Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the team that's made the playoffs 13 of the past 14 years to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year" - Senators fans right after the Karlsson trade

That’s not even the same and it’s crazy you’re trying to say it is.

Vegas isn’t an old team taking one last kick at the can.

 

[sharski]

to all the VGK fans reading this thread... don't even think about posting some bs "coming in peace, you guys got a good pick & player i wish we hadn't given up" crap

 

[GRANdSharks]

The deal is not bad, I like edstrom maybe Vegas falls apart by 2026 tho not guaranteed still a first.

That said ughhhh why did it have to be vegas

 

[TheBeard]

This is too down-to-earth and logical

Is it? Sometimes things go beyond the numbers. The team has a whopping 14 million in players currently signed in 2025. The team didn't need to get his cap off the books. What the team needs is reason to get the fans interested in the team again, and this was the exact opposite of that. The kind of move that might break a franchise. Sounds hyperbole, but when you're drawing about 7,000 a game and you just trade basically your only decent player to the team you hate the most after winning a cup, it's enough to just kill a fanbase.

 

[The Nemesis]

I want someone to correct me if I’m just spewing nonsense or misinformation. I’m just reading the details and going by emotions, but I am ignorant about how retention works. This just doesn’t make sense from my limited knowledge.

Sharks needed to retain money on Hertl's deal for Vegas to be able to take on his contract and have any hope at structuring their roster to be cap compliant going forward. The issue probably is that with Hertl's deal he has a 3-team trade list for the next couple of years so he could pretty much dictate terms on where he goes and the Sharks would be handcuffed into accepting that and working out whatever deal they had to make within those limitations.

And Hertl's contract is still terrible so his value wouldn't have been as high as it should've been given his ability.

The more time that passes since the deal the more I'm able to calm down and recognize that while I'm still very sad and not super-enthused with the deal, it might represent the best the team could make of a very bad situation.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I... I can't right now

 

[TheBeard]

Sending Hertl to Vegas is sad to say the least....

But you can't deny Grier has cleared the books going forward.

He's also cleared the fanbase.

 

[Pavelski2112]

"Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the team that's made the playoffs 13 of the past 14 years to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year" - Senators fans right after the Karlsson trade

Vegas are cockroaches and evil only wins in this world

 

[Hodge]

That’s not even the same and it’s crazy you’re trying to say it is.

Vegas isn’t an old team taking one last kick at the can.

Eichel and Stone are both First Team All-Bandaid. Marchessault, Stephenson, Martinez and Hanifin are pending UFAs. Also it's hockey. Anything can happen.

Just saying...it's not a "guaranteed late first" the way their 2024 1st is a guaranteed late first.

 

[TheBeard]

Eichel and Stone are both First Team All-Bandaid.

Until playoffs. Then they're ironmen. Stone hasn't missed a playoff game yet.

"Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the team that's made the playoffs 13 of the past 14 years to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year" - Senators fans right after the Karlsson trade

Even I know you're not dumb enough to compare the two like that.

 

[Mafoofoo]

@Juxtaposer @The Merchant @Shark Finn @TheBeard @CaptainShark i don’t think y’all realize how dynamite Smith-Edstrom down the middle will be in the future

Sure but the rate this is going itll be another Thompson and Cozens situation where the players are good but the team is garbage.

Only for Grier to trade them to his beloved Vegas in order to “help the sharks rebuild”

 

[spintops]

Is it? Sometimes things go beyond the numbers. The team has a whopping 14 million in players currently signed in 2025. The team didn't need to get his cap off the books. What the team needs is reason to get the fans interested in the team again, and this was the exact opposite of that. The kind of move that might break a franchise. Sounds hyperbole, but when you're drawing about 7,000 a game and you just trade basically your only decent player to the team you hate the most after winning a cup, it's enough to just kill a fanbase.

There's a pretty good chance Hertl didn't want to be here. Hard to say what his value would be on the open market. Add a NTC to that and it's going to be tough to get anything for him.

Everyone is upset because it's Vegas, but value wise I don't think MG did bad considering the circumstances.

 

[Hodge]

Don't underrate how this will also destroy team morale, cementing us last place.

 

[mogambomoroo]

It's a new wave guys, let's hope it works out.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This is a tough pill to swallow. I don't want to have to see Hertl back here in a Vegas sweater for another six years but getting Edstrom and a 1st is a good return even with the two 3rds going out and the retention. We weren't going to hit on those 3rd rounders in all likelihood. I think Edstrom can be a poor man's version of JEE as a 3C. I hope for Hertl's sake that Vegas goes back-to-back but then I hope they tank hard.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the two time defending champs to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year.

The team that is old, injured, 2-7-1 in the last 10 games, and going all in this season. Their 2025 pick certainly isn't a bad one to have.

Hertl is washed, there isn't a single impact metric by which he has had a better season than even Gralund.

 

[STL Shark]

Wait, we GAVE up the two thirds?

Man, Mike, I've been a devout supporter of you through some questionable decisions, but honestly you clearly don't have any sort of emotional understanding of the game.

Nah. Idiots on here only have an emotional understanding is the issue. Do everyone some good to gather some objectivity rather than merely emotions. Imagine being 4 years down the line and having a 35 because we’re too afraid to take a deal for our injured center signed for 6 more years at $8M+ a year.

We traded a 30 year old fresh off surgery signed for 6 more years at $8M+ and actually got value back. Given the dearth of cap space league wide and the weariness of GMs to take on money while giving up assets, this is a great deal. If there were a better one, he’d have taken it.

Also factor in Hertl has no trade protection too.

 

[Tw1ster]

He's also cleared the fanbase.

Judging by the empty building each night, even with Hertl, they were already gone

I’m guessing this wasn’t as much of a cap dump as it was Hertl requesting to be moved

 

[Coily]

Is it? Sometimes things go beyond the numbers. The team has a whopping 14 million in players currently signed in 2025. The team didn't need to get his cap off the books. What the team needs is reason to get the fans interested in the team again, and this was the exact opposite of that. The kind of move that might break a franchise. Sounds hyperbole, but when you're drawing about 7,000 a game and you just trade basically your only decent player to the team you hate the most after winning a cup, it's enough to just kill a fanbase.

Yeah it is.

 

[inthe6ix]

Unbelievable, losing Hertl and to VGK of all teams. Figured he would retire a Shark.

Just awful.

 

[weastern bias]

We paid picks to do this

It cost us 2 3rd rounders to retain salary on a top-6 center for my most hated team, and all we got was a late 1st and a B-tier prospect

I am going to vomit diarrhea

 

[26Mats]

Don't underrate how this will also destroy team morale, cementing us last place.

As an outsider, I can see how it would hurt to have Hertl traded to Vegas.

But aside from that, I think this could be a great trade. That Hertl contract could have become untradeable. Grier got you a 1st and a solid prospect. Plus it helps you bottom out and get really good prospects. You'll get a beauty this year (one of Cellebrini, Demidov, Lindstrom, Parekh, etc...)

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

He's also cleared the fanbase.

There will *literally* be 4-5k people at most most nights for the next 3+ years. I don't think most understand how serious this will get.

 

[TheBeard]

Yeah it is.

No. It's not.

 

[one2gamble]

This trade is just garbage. There is no spit shining it