Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

SJSharksfan39

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I went from a 100% supporter of Mike to 100% loathing.
I want someone to correct me if I’m just spewing nonsense or misinformation. I’m just reading the details and going by emotions, but I am ignorant about how retention works. This just doesn’t make sense from my limited knowledge.
 
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I remember most people thinking the Timo and EK returns were horrible when the trades happened. Both deals are already looking pretty solid for us. I'm good with this return. It sucks it's Vegas, but if they were the only team willing to take that contract it's a deal you make IMO.

You could already see the tone change with Hertl discussing his future, he was looking to get out. Maybe we wait until the summer to deal them, but do you want it to turn out like last year when EK cost us a top 3 pick?
 

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I don't think Grier can ever make this up to me

As positive as I've been about his tenure, he's been great at making value plays on the margins while tearing things down, that's the easy part of rebuilding

He's shown absolutely no ability to build it back up again to this point, and I don't think he can offset this pain any way other than an actual Stanley Cup victory, which I just don't expect from him

What a turn, I f***ing hate Mike Grier's guts now, he's on my shit list forever, f*** you Mike, you're a piece of shit
 

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No he didn't. The return is a clear indication that the market views Hertl signed at 8.1M for 6 more years after this one as a negative value contract. And it's really hard to argue against that.

The return we're receiving is for the retention, just like the 1st round pick we received for Karlsson was for taking back bad contracts.
The return is a clear indication that sometimes you hold onto players instead of alienating what remains of a fanbase struggling to stay loyal. This is gonna be a bad look for the sharks during the dark years.
 

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Hodge

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Yes he did. No retention slots for how long?. Two of our 3rds, which will be at the top, for a singular late first and a middling prospect?

There was zero reason to make that trade unless Hertl specifically asked for it. The cap space isn’t a big deal. Losing a fan favorite and good locker room “veteran” for chump change is stupid.
No retention slots for just over a year, at which point the Burns retention comes off the books. But it's not like we even have anyone else on the roster worth retaining on.

The 1st is unprotected and Edstrom projects as a useful bottom six center who was a recent 1st himself and is a 19 year old who has already been playing pro hockey for 2 seasons.

The realities of the length of Hertl's contract, Hertl's age, Hertl's production and his extremely limited NTC/NMC rendered his trade value neutral or negative. The difference in value between 1st+Edstrom and two 3rds is the value of retaining ~$1.3M/yr for the next 6 years.
 

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Similar to Sharks fans hilariously underestimating Pavelski's longevity, I would bet a large sum of money Hertl is worth AT LEAST 6.1m for the next 5-6 years.
Yes, but not if Hert wanted to be in the playoffs and win a cup somewhere. You have to respect that players want to play for winning teams. Which means you get what you can for them.
 

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Similar to Sharks fans hilariously underestimating Pavelski's longevity, I would bet a large sum of money Hertl is worth AT LEAST 6.1m for the next 5-6 years.

This feels like Pavelski 2.0. I watch a lot of Dallas partly because of Pavelski and now Hertl is going to a playoff team with one of the best coaches in the NHL. He’s going to kill it in Vegas and the Sharks are pretty much getting scraps.
 

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No retention slots for just over a year, at which point the Burns retention comes off the books. But it's not like we even have anyone else on the roster worth retaining on.

The 1st is unprotected and Edstrom projects as a useful bottom six center who was a recent 1st himself and is a 19 year old who has already been playing pro hockey for 2 seasons.

The realities of the length of Hertl's contract, Hertl's age, Hertl's production and his extremely limited NTC/NMC rendered his trade value neutral or negative. The difference in value between 1st+Edstrom and two 3rds is the value of retaining ~$1.3M/yr for the next 6 years.
This is too down-to-earth and logical
 

TheBeard

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The 1st is unprotected and Edstrom projects as a useful bottom six center who was a recent 1st himself and is a 19 year old who has already been playing pro hockey for 2 seasons.
Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the two time defending champs to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year.
 

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The return is a clear indication that sometimes you hold onto players instead of alienating what remains of a fanbase struggling to stay loyal. This is gonna be a bad look for the sharks during the dark years.
Fans will only come back when the Sharks are a Cup contender again. This trade speeds up that process.
 
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TheWayToRefJose

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No retention slots for just over a year, at which point the Burns retention comes off the books. But it's not like we even have anyone else on the roster worth retaining on.

The 1st is unprotected and Edstrom projects as a useful bottom six center who was a recent 1st himself and is a 19 year old who has already been playing pro hockey for 2 seasons.

The realities of the length of Hertl's contract, Hertl's age, Hertl's production and his extremely limited NTC/NMC rendered his trade value neutral or negative. The difference in value between 1st+Edstrom and two 3rds is the value of retaining ~$1.3M/yr for the next 6 years.
What they f*** does it matter that it’s an unprotected first? That means absolutely nothing. That team is stacked and is now absolutely the cup favorite.
 
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Hodge

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Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the two time defending champs to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year.
"Glad that first next year is unprotected because I'm sure we're all expecting the team that's made the playoffs 13 of the past 14 years to suddenly be bottom feeders in a year" - Senators fans right after the Karlsson trade
 

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