Confirmed with Link: Tomas Hertl 17% retained, 2025 3rd, 2027 3rd to Vegas for C David Edstrom, 2025 1st

[Cas]

trash

 

[spintops]

"Trading our #1c in his prime with retention AND draft picks for a late first in a draft 2 years from now is good, actually"

- Sharks """fans """" on HFboards, 2024.

Lol this board is going to be so bad for awhile it seems

 

[The Nemesis]

This, there's tanking and there's torpedoing the organization. With moves like this you're risking the fanbase entirely.

This is overstated. Fans won't show up when the team is bad and will when they get better. That's all it really boils down to. The only fans that stay away in perpetuity are the ones of teams that obviously have no intent on trying to be better into the future. As long as this is a tank and not a John Fisher situation any attempts to claim that this is somehow going to permanently or irreparably damage the team's standing or stability in the market is overblown.

If it looks bad now it's also largely because the team hasn't been all-caps BAD in like 2 decades, and not like that for an extended period since like the mid 90s.

 

[karltonian]

There needs to be some kind of plan or vision and there doesn't seem to be one right now. It's just scorched earth.

 

[TheBeard]

You realize that Mark Stone, Hertl, and Eichel are all extremely injury prone? They do not have the depth to back them up. They are going to lose Mantha, Amadio, and Carrier as well. The depth will just not be there next year.

I said that this year, but guess what they'll do?

The same thing the did this year.

I thought they'd exhausted their trade options and they picked up perhaps the best C, the best D and another depth player.

At the very worst they're a middling playoff team that squeaks in and maybe we'll end up with a low twenties pick. Yay for us.

 

[The Nemesis]

"Trading our #1c in his prime with retention AND draft picks for a late first in a draft 2 years from now is good, actually"

- Sharks """fans """" on HFboards, 2024.

First all, f*** off with this multi-quoted "fans" thing to try and make it sound like others are less than you or your viewpoint. People are entitled to their opinion without having their fan cred adjudicated. It's one thing to question people who threaten quitting in a moment of over-dramatic histrionics but arguing that people not having a uniformly negative view on the trade is smarmy self-aggrandizing of the highest order and has no place here or anywhere. Don't be a dick.

second most people are not saying the deal is good in a vacuum but more that it is potentially the best the team could hope for given the situation. It's easy to pretend there was a better option when there's no way to ever be disproven because the scenario can never play out.

 

[TheBeard]

This is overstated. Fans won't show up when the team is bad and will when they get better. That's all it really boils down to. The only fans that stay away in perpetuity are the ones of teams that obviously have no intent on trying to be better into the future. As long as this is a tank and not a John Fisher situation any attempts to claim that this is somehow going to permanently or irreparably damage the team's standing or stability in the market is overblown.

If it looks bad now it's also largely because the team hasn't been all-caps BAD in like 2 decades, and not like that for an extended period since like the mid 90s.

With the exception of year 2, this may be the worst sharks team of all time.

 

[Hodge]

CapFriendly confirms the 2025 1st is completely unprotected.

 

[OffSydes]

Only ONE 3rd going to Las Vegas

 

[The Nemesis]

With the exception of year 2, this may be the worst sharks team of all time.

Doesn't matter. It will stop people from showing up now but it's not going to reach 3 or 4 years into the future and prevent people from showing up then if the team gets better in the interim.

 

[weastern bias]

It is hilarious, and telling, the team's official Twitter account has posted about every move except foe this one

This is a hard sell, lol

 

[Jts4thgoal]

Grier can absolutely turn this trade into a win if he capitalizes the cap space and takes short bad contracts for picks/prospects.

 

[TheBeard]

It's easy to pretend there was a better option

There was a better option - Keep him and find solace in enjoying watching one of the last true good talents the team has. Allow him to provide occasional reminders of what its like to enjoy hockey like he did when we went on that random win streak earlier.

 

[Hodge]

The Athletic gave us rave reviews (two writers graded it an A, one A-) for this trade and wrote this:

How long he’ll be at this level is the question and it’s why the Sharks were wise to move him sooner rather than later. At this level, Hertl can still command an excellent return that can really help push the rebuild forward — even if it comes with giving up two third-round picks. Add a few years down the road on a rebuilding team for a player who’s currently 30 and it’s unlikely San Jose gets anywhere close to these pieces back for the back half of Hertl’s deal. That’s savvy work for GM Mike Grier.

So I'm not the only one saying these things.

 

[Pete Taylor]

I said that this year, but guess what they'll do?

The same thing the did this year.

I thought they'd exhausted their trade options and they picked up perhaps the best C, the best D and another depth player.

At the very worst they're a middling playoff team that squeaks in and maybe we'll end up with a low twenties pick. Yay for us.

The assets they gave up this year dont just replenish when next season starts. They will clearly not be able to do this next deadline. They literally have 98 mil in contracts this year. Even after losing all there FA's they will not be able to bring back a team like this next year. That pick also has no protection.

What good does Hertl do us? Mentor players? 70% of fans would have been complaining about how unmovable the Hertl contract 2 years from now anyways. Might as well send him somewhere to win, it really actually bodes well for us signing people this off season (those who need to reha value). They know Greir is going to take care of them and send em to a winner if they ride out a shit regular season for us.

It really is a Win-Win trade for both teams, atleast IMO.

 

[TheBeard]

Doesn't matter. It will stop people from showing up now but it's not going to reach 3 or 4 years into the future and prevent people from showing up then if the team gets better in the interim.

That is the caveat. Regardless of anything, the players he's bringing in do indeed have to pan out, otherwise we're back to square one.

 

[Hodge]

There was a better option - Keep him and find solace in enjoying watching one of the last true good talents the team has. Allow him to provide occasional reminders of what its like to enjoy hockey like he did when we went on that random win streak earlier.

Good thing you're not the GM.

 

[Pete Taylor]

The Athletic gave us rave reviews (two writers graded it an A, one A-) for this trade and wrote this:



So I'm not the only one saying these things.

Thank f***ing god someone sees it like I do. Shout out Grier this was a killer deadline.

 

[weastern bias]

CapFriendly confirms the 2025 1st is completely unprotected.

It f***ing better be, lol, otherwise what's even the point

After backing away from the ledge, this trade still sucks as a fan, and I hate Mike as a person, but it just made sense, it was the smart move to make

f*** dude, Vegas? OF ALL PLACES? THERE ARE 30 OTHER TEAMS, MIKE!

 

[The Nemesis]

There was a better option - Keep him and find solace in enjoying watching one of the last true good talents the team has. Allow him to provide occasional reminders of what its like to enjoy hockey like he did when we went on that random win streak earlier.

If he asked out that creates its own problems. He would've been miserable if he was told the team would do right by him and then turned around to go "nah, we like ticket money more."

 

[mogambomoroo]

In these hard times the team needs it's fans more than ever, I'll support them even harder. Thank you Tomas Hertl for your time in teal, but we need to find the new core and the new leaders. The new wave that could finally take us over the top.

 

[Pavelski2112]

All this complaining about "value" is useless

The real important part of this trade is that Hertl went to f***ing Las Vegas

 

[karltonian]

With the exception of year 2, this may be the worst sharks team of all time.

And moves like this mean all the success amounts to nothing. You're supposed to take something from it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Logan will be on LTIR going forward. How much cap will that give us even with Vlasic on the books for another year?

Couture will not go on LTIR unless they need the cap space. They have to use up the 38 mil they currently have available to them before they would have to use LTIR as an option there. Given the team's needs going into next season, I can't foresee them needing LTIR cap space.

 

[TheBeard]

Good thing you're not the GM.

Nope. Just a fan who's suffered through some pretty brutal lows yet finally finds himself questioning how much time he wants to invest in the team. Call me out on my fandom, I don't care, but I don't ever truly remember being this close to just not caring until they're good again.