Value of: Tom Wilson to LA? What would it cost?

[Kurrilino]

Kalyev for Wilson 1 for 1

Kaliyev is a future 30 goal scorer.
He is going nowhere.

The Kings brass also stated that they are very high on Kaliev.
He was on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line, you don't trade those guys away for a soon to be 30 year old

 

[StephenPeat]

The internet is your friend. A quick search would bring this too light but hey call someone a lair and make yourself look bad.

Okay pal, let’s talk.

Even Frank Seravalli is only on record saying “multiple GMs were “stunned” by the Jeannot trade.”

So probably one of the premier NHL insiders is so weary of his own reporting that he uses an utterly intractable and completely unverifiable “multiple” to make the reporting consumable. You have no idea what “multiple” means, is it 2, 3, 10? Fact is, you have no idea and no single GM is on record saying anything about the trade. You know why not; because they don’t want to be on record if Jeannot proves, as multiple others before him have, that many NHL GMs are morons, particularly in the arena of trade evaluation.

Let’s face facts; I, for one, am on record saying the Jeannot trade is a farcical overpayment. But you can’t argue with success. Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow still exist. Jeannot is much younger than both at the time they were acquired. The Lightning will undoubtedly and inarguably be one of the most veteran teams in the 2023 Stanley Cup Playoffs in terms of They’ve Been There, They’ve Done That. When is the team in your own avatar going to learn, the best they could do was Evander Kane and that wasn’t good enough. Will this be the year for the Oil? I’m going out on a pretty stable limb, the Oilers probably aren’t going to win, yet again this year. They’re a Regular Season team until they’re not. The Lightning face the Leafs in the First Round. It’s only even money which Leaf “star” players like Tanner Jeannot and Pat Maroon will punk this time around.

The Lightning have the bonafides to take a calculated risk on a guy like Tanner Jeannot and go all-in. It’s not like they’re new to this. Teams like the Oilers and Leafs have no such laurels on which to rest. I’m a gambler and you live and die on the river. If the river is the Leafs and Oilers the Lightning have seen this move before and they’ve seen you fold on multiple money lines. If I’m putting money on it today; I bet on Tanner Jeannot hoisting the Cup this season over either Auston Matthews And/Or Connor McDavid. Let that sink in and maybe you’ll understand why the smartest move for Frank Seravalli and any GMs he spoke to is to hope they stay anonymous. We’re more likely to forget another post-season from Edmonton and Toronto than we are to forget the guy who bet AGAINST the Lightning, ever.

 

[StephenPeat]

Why bother putting in Broberg? You know he isn't available, it been reported him and Holloway are near untenable. It also not like we need Wilson.There no team in the west that are tougher than the Oilers are.

We’ve all heard this one before. Might as well get your clubs out and dust em off; you’re going to need a strong wedge to dig out of this sand trap.

The Stars, AVs, Wild, and Golden Knights are all at least as tough as the Oilers. In crunch time I’d say most of those teams are tougher than Edmonton.

 

[StephenPeat]

Kaliyev is a future 30 goal scorer.
He is going nowhere.

The Kings brass also stated that they are very high on Kaliev.
He was on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line, you don't trade those guys away for a soon to be 30 year old

Kaliyev is a future 30 Goal Scorer? He’s factually never scored half of that. Hell, he’s not even factually a 30 Point Player as of today.

Tom Wilson is far closer to a 30 Goal Scorer today than Kaliyev. That is not up for debate.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Kaliyev is a future 30 Goal Scorer? He’s factually never scored half of that. Hell, he’s not even factually a 30 Point Player as of today.

Tom Wilson is far closer to a 30 Goal Scorer today than Kaliyev. That is not up for debate.

Easy there Hoss. Kaliyev is a stud and is gonna be an elite sniper. He tags them as hard as Ovechkin from the top of the circles. He isn’t 1/2 the player Ovechkin is overall but his shot and pp power is pretty damn close

 

[StephenPeat]

Easy there Hoss. Kaliyev is a stud and is gonna be an elite sniper. He tags them as hard as Ovechkin from the top of the circles. He isn’t 1/2 the player Ovechkin is overall but his shot and pp power is pretty damn close

Good lord. That guy tried to favorably compare Kaliyev to Tom Wilson and without hesitation you’re comparing him to the greatest Goal Scorer ever, laughable.

I remember my first post on HFBoards almost as fondly as my first bong rip. Be sure to give someone your keys.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Good lord. That guy tried to favorably compare Kaliyev to Tom Wilson and without hesitation you’re comparing him to the greatest Goal Scorer ever, laughable.

I remember my first post on HFBoards almost as fondly as my first bong rip. Be sure to give someone your keys.

He is not even 1/2 the player, he said. Obviously.

Kaliyev is in his second NHL season. Its always a bit ridicule to compare a promising player with a vet, especially one of the greatest. Yet you downgraded him as a player too. Dont act this annoying. The chance Kaliyev will hit 30 is IMO more reasonable than Wilson will. That has nothing to do with him being a 30 points player right now or that Wilson brings a lot more to the table.

Throughout this thread you have had multiple reading problems.

 

[StephenPeat]

He is not even 1/2 the player, he said. Obviously.

Kaliyev is in his second NHL season. Its always a bit ridicule to compare a promising player with a vet, especially one of the greatest. Yet you downgraded him as a player too. Dont act this annoying. The chance Kaliyev will hit 30 is IMO more reasonable than Wilson will. That has nothing to do with him being a 30 points player right now or that Wilson brings a lot more to the table.

Throughout this thread you have had multiple reading problems.

The highest Kaliyev has ever paced in a season tops out at JUST UNDER 20 GOALS (19), fact. The highest Tom Wilson has ever paced (over more games mind you) is JUST UNDER 30 GOALs (29), fact.

Don’t confuse yourself, reading isn’t the problem. The problem is you and Kurrilino are being outright disingenuous in your characterization.

Kaliyev is much closer to Tom Wilson than Alex Ovechkin and he’s got a ways to go to reach Wilson.

 

[TGWL]

Kaliyev is a future 30 goal scorer.
He is going nowhere.

The Kings brass also stated that they are very high on Kaliev.
He was on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line, you don't trade those guys away for a soon to be 30 year old

I agree that they shouldn't trade him. But simmer down with the "playing 4th line" part. He scored 8 out of the 12 goals on the powerplay.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

The highest Kaliyev has ever paced in a season tops out at JUST UNDER 20 GOALS (19), fact. The highest Tom Wilson has ever paced (over more games mind you) is JUST UNDER 30 GOALs (29), fact.

Don’t confuse yourself, reading isn’t the problem. The problem is you and Kurrilino are being outright disingenuous in your characterization.

Kaliyev is much closer to Tom Wilson than Alex Ovechkin and he’s got a ways to go to reach Wilson.

Are you this ignorant ?

Wilson is a soon to be 30 year old player and still a good one. Kaliyev is an extremely talented 21 year old and without injuries probably already a 20 goal scorer in his 2nd season. He will get a bridge contract and probably a huge asset for years to come.

How is this so difficult to understand for you ?

Somebody said his style of play looks a lot like Ovechkin. You do understand there is a difference between style of play and having a similar career ?

I agree that they shouldn't trade him. But simmer down with the "playing 4th line" part. He scored 8 out of the 12 goals on the powerplay.

He is playing on the 4th line though, with PP time due to the fact what has been mentioned above. He has a great shot.

 

[TGWL]

Are you this ignorant ?

Wilson is a soon to be 30 year old player and still a good one. Kaliyev is an extremely talented 21 year old and without injuries probably already a 20 goal scorer in his 2nd season. He will get a bridge contract and probably a huge asset for years to come.

How is this so difficult to understand for you ?

Somebody said his style of play looks a lot like Ovechkin. You do understand there is a difference between style of play and having a similar career ?


He is playing on the 4th line though, with PP time due to the fact what has been mentioned above. He has a great shot.

That's different than somebody saying he's on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line. Majority of the goals didn't happen on the 4th line.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

That's different than somebody saying he's on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line. Majority of the goals didn't happen on the 4th line.

Ah so, you are right about that.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

The highest Kaliyev has ever paced in a season tops out at JUST UNDER 20 GOALS (19), fact. The highest Tom Wilson has ever paced (over more games mind you) is JUST UNDER 30 GOALs (29), fact.

Don’t confuse yourself, reading isn’t the problem. The problem is you and Kurrilino are being outright disingenuous in your characterization.

Kaliyev is much closer to Tom Wilson than Alex Ovechkin and he’s got a ways to go to reach Wilson.

your arguing a guy who has been in his prime with a guy who hasn't even scratched his potential. Look at Kaliyevs ice time vs production. Once LA clears the log jam in the middle and he gets ice time he is a 20 pp goals a year guy!

Are you this ignorant ?

Wilson is a soon to be 30 year old player and still a good one. Kaliyev is an extremely talented 21 year old and without injuries probably already a 20 goal scorer in his 2nd season. He will get a bridge contract and probably a huge asset for years to come.

How is this so difficult to understand for you ?

Somebody said his style of play looks a lot like Ovechkin. You do understand there is a difference between style of play and having a similar career ?


He is playing on the 4th line though, with PP time due to the fact what has been mentioned above. He has a great shot.

he is also getting 2nd unit pp time for 30 seconds or less. Which is why I say look at the minutes.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

I could keep going...

 

[McShogun99]

Kaliyev is a future 30 goal scorer.
He is going nowhere.

The Kings brass also stated that they are very high on Kaliev.
He was on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line, you don't trade those guys away for a soon to be 30 year old

If Washington was dumb enough offer Wilson in a 1 for 1 trade for Kaliyev then Blake would be putting in the paperwork so fast before Washington realizes the mistake they're about to make.

I like Kaliyev but Wilson is a one of a kind player.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Kaliyev is a future 30 goal scorer.
He is going nowhere.

The Kings brass also stated that they are very high on Kaliev.
He was on pace for 30 goals playing 4th line, you don't trade those guys away for a soon to be 30 year old

Personally if a great 30 year old like Crosby, Stamkos, Josi, Marchand, Ovy, Landeskog, Pietrangelo, etc I’d move him in a heartbeat

 

[Kurrilino]

Kaliyev is a future 30 Goal Scorer? He’s factually never scored half of that. Hell, he’s not even factually a 30 Point Player as of today.

Tom Wilson is far closer to a 30 Goal Scorer today than Kaliyev. That is not up for debate.

lol that delusion

Kalijey was on pace to 25 goals before injury for 20 games, playing 4th line minutes with freaking Lizotte and Lemieux. All this being only 21 years of age.

This guy is a pure sniper and i understand that you guys are drooling but he is not for sale, especially not for a 29 year old brawler

 

[Kurrilino]

If Washington was dumb enough offer Wilson in a 1 for 1 trade for Kaliyev then Blake would be putting in the paperwork so fast before Washington realizes the mistake they're about to make.

I like Kaliyev but Wilson is a one of a kind player.

lol... i understand that you follow a team that has not shown any basic competence of management
since 70 years but even then this take is laughable.

Blake loves his youngsters and would never do such a ridiculous trade or Kalijev would already be in traded.
I love those one of a kind player like Wilson playing for other teams.

Personally if a great 30 year old like Crosby, Stamkos, Josi, Marchand, Ovy, Landeskog, Pietrangelo, etc I’d move him in a heartbeat

Thank Goodness Blake is a manager of my heart.
I fully support him doing nothing over the wrong move

 

[McShogun99]

lol... i understand that you follow a team that has not shown any basic competence of management
since 70 years but even then this take is laughable.

Blake loves his youngsters and would never do such a ridiculous trade or Kalijev would already be in traded.
I love those one of a kind player like Wilson playing for other teams.


Thank Goodness Blake is a manager of my heart.
I fully support him doing nothing over the wrong move

Are you kaliyev's agent????

 

[Ovi895]

The rest of the West is already AHL level and i don't see the Kings being a serious playoff team earlier than 2 years from now.
Competing starts in 3-4 years.
Everything earlier is pure illusion

Lol, what you presented is a young inexperienced team without generational players at any position. The type that if they make the playoffs get the brakes beat off them

There is no contender that has players like 25 and younger Byfield and Kupari as their top 2 Cs, early 20s Clarke as their #1D, early 20s Spence as a fixture on their second pairing, and a goalie who has yet to play in the NHL as a #1 combined. It takes far better player than them years to get there, especially defensemen and goalies. Doughty and Makar are the only D that got to that level relatively early and good as Clarke is he's not in the same league (literally) and may easily top out as Rielly

Edmonton with McDavid and Drasaitl going on almost 10 years each still hasn't figured out the playoffs, just like Toronto with Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Any of those are better than any player on your roster by far even factoring in the most optimal development curves

It took Tampa until Hedman was in his 30s and Stamkos, Kucherov, Point were grizzled vets, a better goalie than any LA had in their history going on his 7th season, on top of adding every grizzled veteran they could get to break through. MacKinnon took 9 years, Capitals took a decade. The prospects you're penciling in would all need a Tage Thompson like development curve and several years to learning what it takes to win a round to even be in the conversation

 

[EquivalentStay]

If you think Arthur f***ing Kaliyev is worth keeping over Tom Wilson, then the Kings fanbase has lost their minds.

 

[StephenPeat]

If you think Arthur f***ing Kaliyev is worth keeping over Tom Wilson, then the Kings fanbase has lost their minds.

At this point I’m convinced it’s one guy who smoked a bunch of bath salts and chased them with Embalming Fluid. Literally the most LA thing I’ve ever seen.

One or two Kings fans having already awarded Kaliyev the Conn Smyth for; 12 Goals, on the PP, during Garbage Time, in the Regular Season.

I could keep going...

I mean you’ll literally have to stop at 12. I can find nearly as many from Wilson and he played like 25 fewer games this season.

 

[Kurrilino]

If you think Arthur f***ing Kaliyev is worth keeping over Tom Wilson, then the Kings fanbase has lost their minds.

I don't speak for any fanbase, only for myself.
Who i have to point this out is far beyond me.

And yes, Wilson is of no interest to me because he doesn't fit the age window

Lol, what you presented is a young inexperienced team without generational players at any position. The type that if they make the playoffs get the brakes beat off them

There is no contender that has players like 25 and younger Byfield and Kupari as their top 2 Cs, early 20s Clarke as their #1D, early 20s Spence as a fixture on their second pairing, and a goalie who has yet to play in the NHL as a #1 combined. It takes far better player than them years to get there, especially defensemen and goalies. Doughty and Makar are the only D that got to that level relatively early and good as Clarke is he's not in the same league (literally) and may easily top out as Rielly

Edmonton with McDavid and Drasaitl going on almost 10 years each still hasn't figured out the playoffs, just like Toronto with Matthews, Tavares and Marner. Any of those are better than any player on your roster by far even factoring in the most optimal development curves

It took Tampa until Hedman was in his 30s and Stamkos, Kucherov, Point were grizzled vets, a better goalie than any LA had in their history going on his 7th season, on top of adding every grizzled veteran they could get to break through. MacKinnon took 9 years, Capitals took a decade. The prospects you're penciling in would all need a Tage Thompson like development curve and several years to learning what it takes to win a round to even be in the conversation

Did you miss the part where i said 2 years away from serious playoff spot and then 3-4 years until contending?
The Kings already rip apart the Pacific with the oldies being nonfactors.

 

[Kurrilino]

Are you kaliyev's agent????

Nope, are you Rob Blake?

This is a make believe GM forum and i just posted my opinion that Wilson is of no interest to the Kings.
I can't believe that i have to type out that i am in no way or form related to the Kings organization or staff

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Cannot imagine it would cost much more than Lucic did. Similar stage in their career. Power forward who may decline in the near future. Wilson is more of a middle 6 winger on most teams.