Tom Wilson, 20 goals and counting

[CartographerNo611]

Yeah. People tend to get upset when guys injure other guys with dirty hits.

Opposing players can stay on the bench whenever Wilson is roaming the ice. No millionaires get hurt that way.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Just so you know listening to podcasts gives you zero insight on how players are actually valued by NHL organizations.

I disagree when said podcasts or radio programs literally have former NHL front office people on as guests or have sources in front offices

 

[Rubi]

If you asked every GM in the league I can almost guarantee they'd take Tom Wilson over Hertl. Just telling you.

I'm not a GM in the league but if I was I'd hold my nose and take Tom Wilson over Hertl.... same way I held my nose while Todd Bertuzzi was playing for the Flames.

 

[Rubi]

Tom Wilson, 1 million haters and counting.

Can you blame them though? The guy was a poster child for scum bag.

 

[hairylikebear]

I disagree when said podcasts or radio programs literally have former NHL front office people on as guests or have sources in front offices

I understand that you think you are gaining insight and that's why you listen to those podcasts, but all competent businesses are strict in keeping confidential any information related to their competitive advantage.

 

[mrv52]

A man receives only what he is ready to receive, whether physically, or intellectually, or morally.

-Thoreau

 

[Captain Bowie]

So what is it?

Is it that he doesn't fight other enforcers? Or he doesn't fight guys bigger than him?


Because when you list off all the enforcers he's fought it's a decent list (I mean as decent as it can be since that's an extinct role in 2019)... but of course when you do that people whine about him only taking fights when he wants, so then you list off all the bigger guys he's fought and it becomes "well those guys aren't enforcers"



Also are we sitting here and acting like Joe Thornton is not regarded as one of the top guys you don't want to fight in the NHL?


Chara doesn't fight a lot either, doesn't exactly make him someone people are giddy to fight.

I didn't claim either of the bolded. You are picking a fight with the wrong guy. I simply laughed at the fact that Joe Thornton is to be held up as an example of "Look at the extremely tough guys this player has fought before".

I love Jumbo, but no he is not at the top of the list of guys who you don't want to fight in the NHL. Chara is immensely more intimidating.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I understand that you think you are gaining insight and that's why you listen to those podcasts, but all competent businesses are strict in keeping confidential any information related to their competitive advantage.

Like what does this even mean?

How do you think books, interviews, analysts all done by former GM's or Coaches are created? Legally speaking teams have very little leeway to prevent someone from explaining the mindset they had when they were making decisions.


Most of all, I just get a kick out of you basically inferring we're all gullible idiots for listening to former league insiders but you have zero evidence to support the claim that it's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I didn't claim either of the bolded. You are picking a fight with the wrong guy. I simply laughed at the fact that Joe Thornton is to be held up as an example of "Look at the extremely tough guys this player has fought before".

I love Jumbo, but no he is not at the top of the list of guys who you don't want to fight in the NHL. Chara is immensely more intimidating.

I think you need to go back and re-read the post if you think I was trying to say Joe was the toughest fighter he faced. I was responding to a guy who said he only fights smaller players, Joe is undeniably one of the biggest players in the league.

 

[Varan]

he deserves the criticism he gets but one thing you can't say is that he is just a goon, he can flat out PLAY

 

[Captain And Coke]

A man receives only what he is ready to receive, whether physically, or intellectually, or morally.

-Thoreau

Also...

"In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, they had better aim at something high."

-Henry David Thoreau

 

[hairylikebear]

Like what does this even mean?

How do you think books, interviews, analysts all done by former GM's or Coaches are created? Legally speaking teams have very little leeway to prevent someone from explaining the mindset they had when they were making decisions.


Most of all, I just get a kick out of you basically inferring we're all gullible idiots for listening to former league insiders but you have zero evidence to support the claim that it's all smoke and mirrors.

We are miles apart from a mutual understanding and this is off topic enough as it is. Let's just say that you responded to a point about a continent away from the one I was making. I take some blame for maybe not being completely clear.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I think you need to go back and re-read the post if you think I was trying to say Joe was the toughest fighter he faced. I was responding to a guy who said he only fights smaller players, Joe is undeniably one of the biggest players in the league.

You also implied he is one of the most feared fighters in the league, which is laughable. Being in the 90th percentile in height and weight doesn't make you a feared fighter.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

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Nope. Just honest.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Just so you know listening to podcasts gives you zero insight on how players are actually valued by NHL organizations.

When they're literally former players and GM's in the league it gives you 100% insight. They all value Tom Wilson over Hertl, there's no argument. There's no other player like Wilson in the league, none.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Oh I have no doubt he will make a few hits... but unless he can take people out of the game - which he can't do because if he does it again the NHL is going to make him sit a long long time.... then he's a 20-25 goal power winger... which is nice.. but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

What made Tom Wilson different, is he could end someone's night at any moment, albeit he did it often times on the edge of the rules, which the NHL finally acknowledged. Now that he can't live on that edge... he's a power forward on a top line with 20-25 goals. Not bad... but not someone I'm taking over a guy whose potted 35-40.

The first goal in game 7 against the Bolts last year is text book on how valuable Tom Wilson is and it has zero to do with knocking anyone out.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

I find that rather anecdotal/selective- if I talk I might mention how much I'd like to have a player in the mold of Wilson just because he's a rare breed. It'll come up, it's a talking point. But that doesn't mean he's the better player. Mentioning wanting Matthews won't be as much of a talking point- dude scores goals, of course you'd want him. It's obvious, assumed, a given- Wilson will, by nature, be mentioned more by GMs.

Dude every GM in the league was begging scouts to find them the next Tom Wilson, he's wholly unique and if you're comparing the players one you can find other Hertl's, you can't find anymore Tom Wilson's. He's unequivocally the more valuable player.

I love how mad this makes some of you btw.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

I understand that you think you are gaining insight and that's why you listen to those podcasts, but all competent businesses are strict in keeping confidential any information related to their competitive advantage.

Imagine thinking ex NHL GM's are just making this up for the lulz on podcasts? If you don't think he was a MASSIVE part of the Caps winning last year you simply didn't watch any of the series. No one is doing what he does in the NHL, no one.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

20 goals? Wow, yeah, he's red hot.

Still a piece of shit though.

Enjoy it until it's gone.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

20 goals, that's going to be a problem for Wilson (more than he has fingers and toes) to keep track of going forward.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Dude every GM in the league was begging scouts to find them the next Tom Wilson, he's wholly unique and if you're comparing the players one you can find other Hertl's, you can't find anymore Tom Wilson's. He's unequivocally the more valuable player.

I love how mad this makes some of you btw.

Dude, I like Wilson, I'm happy about his success- but once again, GMs are publicly talking about looking for a Wilson just because he's a rarity, not because he's necessarily better. Chara is a rarity, every GM would want that and discuss it- but EK is currently far better.

63 points vs 36, 30 goals vs 20, elite defense vs big hitting- I like both players, but you have such a hard-on for Wilson you're just steamrolling over logic.

 

[StephenPeat]

No hate. Just the truth. Prior to the past two seasons he was a bottom six goon who was a liability on the ice. That isn’t entirely the case anymore.

Probably one of the single poorest takes I’ve ever seen on these boards. You should be embarrassed.

 

[StephenPeat]

Bertuzzi was a pretty good player too

Did he ever win a Cup? And he played on better teams to boot. Maybe choose a better argument.

 

[StephenPeat]

Career high in shooting percentage too.

Damn near double his career average.

Hmmm.....

Could be smarter shot selection and better linemates.....Hmmm indeed.

 

[StephenPeat]

It's a fluke. They happen.

Willian Karlsson scored 43 goals last season after all. All 43 of them still count, even if everybody knew it would probably never happen again.

But you're free to enjoy it while it's going.

You wanna place an avatar bet that Wilson scores 20 next season? Be a man.