Todd Bertuzzi making the team reaction thread

[Towelie*]

There is no way anyone can say that Bertuzzi should be on that team over Eric Staal.

NO WAY

Who is saying that?

 

[canuckers88]

Who is saying that?

Iginla has won at every level
Bertuzzi has been suspended at every level

Bertuzzi is a one dimensional player - who makes terrible hockey decisions and floats between the opposition blue line and the red line looking for a pass.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Who is saying that?

technically, i would say #99 is saying that.

so .. hmmm ,,, 99 or zamboner, i wonder whose opinion carries more merit.

 

[Resolute]

Never in my life has I seen someone state something so wrong so confidentally and so much. This is just plain wrong. The more you argue this, the more idiotic you appear.

Yeah, you are right. Bertuzzi would have scored exactly as many points if he was playing with third and fourth liners instead of Marcus Naslund. How silly of me.

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MS - Thanks. Nice to see there is one Vancouver fan who has more than "shut up, I'm right because I'm a Canucks fan."

Have to admit, I am surprised he matched Iginla in scoring last half of that season. Though, of course, it is important to note that while Bertuzzi had a great half season, Iginla was great the entire season.

The one thing I notice about Bertuzzi's numbers, is that he has completely disapeared off the map during powerplays. Almost to the point of being useless. When he had his great year and a half, he was scoring a ton of PP goals and points. Not so much the last two years. Hope Gretzky doesnt think Bertuzzi will be a good fit on either PP unit.

 

[MS]

There is no way anyone can say that Bertuzzi should be on that team over Eric Staal.

NO WAY

You can make this statement about just about anyone on Canada's roster.

For my money, Staal is the best Canadian forward right now. Period. It's ridiculous that he's not there.

St. Louis is the name that surprises me a bit. If we're talking about guys with 'one great season' .... Bertuzzi is outscoring St. Louis right now for crying out loud.

 

[parabola]

Staal Crosby and Spezza will have a very very good chance of being named to the 2010 team. This team wanted experience... By 2010 they will have that experience.

Bertuzzi will be a key part of the team and does indeed deserve to be there.

If you're gonna talk about being overated you should talk about Rick Nash. Who I do believe deserves to be on the team, but if you go by season stats then you don't include Nash (only played 5 games) ...

Point is, Bertuzzi has shown in the past the kind of player he can be (the kind of player that is very valuable). Hes gotten pretty much all of his form back... so you include him. Point production in the NHL isn't the deciding factor of being named to the team.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Marcus Naslund.

at least spell his name right if you want to be taken seriously as someone who knows what they are talking about.

 

[canuckers88]

Staal Crosby and Spezza will have a very very good chance of being named to the 2010 team. This team wanted experience... By 2010 they will have that experience.

Bertuzzi will be a key part of the team and does indeed deserve to be there.

If you're gonna talk about being overated you should talk about Rick Nash. Who I do believe deserves to be on the team, but if you go by season stats then you don't include Nash (only played 5 games) ...

Point is, Bertuzzi has shown in the past the kind of player he can be (the kind of player that is very valuable). Hes gotten pretty much all of his form back... so you include him. Point production in the NHL isn't the deciding factor of being named to the team.

Exactly which is why Bertuzzi doenst deserve to be there. Bad passes, giveaways, no concept of defense and floating. Thats the REAL Bertuzzi - he is the large version of Marc Savard.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

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The one thing I notice about Bertuzzi's numbers, is that he has completely disapeared off the map during powerplays. Almost to the point of being useless. When he had his great year and a half, he was scoring a ton of PP goals and points. Not so much the last two years. Hope Gretzky doesnt think Bertuzzi will be a good fit on either PP unit.

see, now we know you actually dont watch 44. he is used very often in front of the net to either tie up one (or two) of the dmen, to screen the goalie and to get the goalie all pissed off. many times, he will play a large role in a goal being scored and not register a point.

but for the record, i think he is a dumb hockey player and would much rather have Iginla.

that being said, get over yourself. hockey canada spent alot of time and money to scout these players and gretzky and his staff certainly have the credentials to identify the right mix of hockey players. what makes anyone think some message board monkeys have the resources to know better?

 

[Resolute]

i would argue its the other way around. Naslund is nothing more than a euro scoring winger, it is Bertuzzi who creates the space in the offensive zone as well as taking the punishment in the crease.

When Bertuzzi isnt scoring, he is doing lots of other things to create scoring chances, especially in front of the net. When Naslund is not scoring, he is doing nothing else for the team.

44 is much more important to the Canucks than 19, so stuff your argument.

On the flip side, Bertuzzi takes a lot of dumb penalties that costs his teams goals and wins, and even Canuck fans in this very thread have agreed that Bertuzzi isnt playing to his utmost every game.

The point, is that if you are going to look at the number of points a player scores as part of an argument, you have to consider who he is playing with. Despite the claims of a certian Canuck fan, you are going to score a lot more points playing with Markus Naslund than you will most other players.

 

[Steveorama]

hahahaha Im sorry but players who can be considered BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD should play on a full sheet of ice and not half of it. Face it Bertuzzi is a one dimensional player - no wonder gretz likes him...mark my words - bertuzzi will cost canada.

Look, I realize times are tough in East Van...but when you get a TV, watch some games, Bertuzzi is an damned good player.
Gretzky was actually considered pretty good, too.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Exactly which is why Bertuzzi doenst deserve to be there. Bad passes, giveaways, no concept of defense and floating. Thats the REAL Bertuzzi - he is the large version of Marc Savard.

Staal was not put on the team because he is young and it is unknown how he responds to pressure.

It is well known how Bertuzzi responds to pressure.

 

[MS]

Have to admit, I am surprised he matched Iginla in scoring last half of that season. Though, of course, it is important to note that while Bertuzzi had a great half season, Iginla was great the entire season.

The one thing I notice about Bertuzzi's numbers, is that he has completely disapeared off the map during powerplays. Almost to the point of being useless. When he had his great year and a half, he was scoring a ton of PP goals and points. Not so much the last two years. Hope Gretzky doesnt think Bertuzzi will be a good fit on either PP unit.

When he was effective, Bertuzzi was allowed to battle head-to-head with defenders in front of the net. They whaled away on him, and he would push off on them to create space.

Then a couple coaches (Trotz in Nashville most notably after Bertuzzi embarassed a small Predator defense a few times) made a huge display out of how Bertuzzi was 'interfering' with his push-off move. The league, in turn, obviously told referees to crack down on it because all of a sudden he was getting penalties every time he pushed an opposing defender - penalties he never received before. In 03-04, it was absolutely ridiculous ... defenders could lumberjack him non-stop, basically cross-check him into the ice, but if he did anything to create space for himself it was an instant penalty. He became frustrated, lost confidence in things he was doing before, and IMO that was the biggest reason for his 03-04 struggles. He simply wasn't allowed to do the things on the PP that he'd been allowed to do before.

 

[Towelie*]

Yeah, you are right. Bertuzzi would have scored exactly as many points if he was playing with third and fourth liners instead of Marcus Naslund. How silly of me.

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MS - Thanks. Nice to see there is one Vancouver fan who has more than "shut up, I'm right because I'm a Canucks fan."

Have to admit, I am surprised he matched Iginla in scoring last half of that season. Though, of course, it is important to note that while Bertuzzi had a great half season, Iginla was great the entire season.

The one thing I notice about Bertuzzi's numbers, is that he has completely disapeared off the map during powerplays. Almost to the point of being useless. When he had his great year and a half, he was scoring a ton of PP goals and points. Not so much the last two years. Hope Gretzky doesnt think Bertuzzi will be a good fit on either PP unit.

What are you talking about? I pointed out that you were wrong, and that Bertuzzi isn't "carried" by Naslund as you said. You are such a fool.

 

[Resolute]

see, now we know you actually dont watch 44. he is used very often in front of the net to either tie up one (or two) of the dmen, to screen the goalie and to get the goalie all pissed off. many times, he will play a large role in a goal being scored and not register a point.

And yet he's gone from scoring 25PPG in 02-03 to just three so far this year.

The Canucks powerplay is average, at best, and sits 16th in the league by percentage.

I would have to conclude that Bertuzzi is failing in the tasks he is assigned on the powerplay.

Oh, and by the way, misspelling MarKus Naslund's name has no bearing on the relativity, or accuracy of an argument, unless, of course, this was a debate about a spelling bee.

 

[canuckers88]

Look, I realize times are tough in East Van...but when you get a TV, watch some games, Bertuzzi is an damned good player.
Gretzky was actually considered pretty good, too.

Gretzky great passer, could put the puck in the net - thats about it, small, not physical, bad skater, no concept of defense.

bertuzzi - poor hockey sense, floater, cherry picker, not overly physical, no concept of defensive, not a good passer, but can score

I have a TV, i have been to many games....

 

[parabola]

Exactly which is why Bertuzzi doenst deserve to be there. Bad passes, giveaways, no concept of defense and floating. Thats the REAL Bertuzzi - he is the large version of Marc Savard.

Bertuzzi is good in front of the net, clearing space, can handle the puck without being thrown off it... I agree that Tuzzi on the Canucks would suck without Naslund... BUT on the Olympic team there are players he can play with that are just as good as Naslund. If Bertuzzi did not have a skilled player to play with, Bertuzzi would not be good on the team. Thankfully he has plenty, thus will be great for the team.

 

[Avery4Byng*]

I just got home from work and finally found out!!!

Awesome news, go get'em big bert.

 

[canuckers88]

Bertuzzi is good in front of the net, clearing space, can handle the puck without being thrown off it... I agree that Tuzzi on the Canucks would suck without Naslund... BUT on the Olympic team there are players he can play with that are just as good as Naslund. If Bertuzzi did not have a skilled player to play with, Bertuzzi would not be good on the team. Thankfully he has plenty, thus will be great for the team.

Agreed, but he still makes the bonehead decisions that can cost Canada - we arent playing the Blue Jackets anymore

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I don't know I've seen that opinion out of a few Canucks fans.

They're idiots, too.

 

[Resolute]

When he was effective, Bertuzzi was allowed to battle head-to-head with defenders in front of the net. They whaled away on him, and he would push off on them to create space.

Then a couple coaches (Trotz in Nashville most notably after Bertuzzi embarassed a small Predator defense a few times) made a huge display out of how Bertuzzi was 'interfering' with his push-off move. The league, in turn, obviously told referees to crack down on it because all of a sudden he was getting penalties every time he pushed an opposing defender - penalties he never received before. In 03-04, it was absolutely ridiculous ... defenders could lumberjack him non-stop, basically cross-check him into the ice, but if he did anything to create space for himself it was an instant penalty. He became frustrated, lost confidence in things he was doing before, and IMO that was the biggest reason for his 03-04 struggles. He simply wasn't allowed to do the things on the PP that he'd been allowed to do before.

I believe Trotz would be the one to whine. He's the guy who got the "Sutter Rule" for instigating in the last five minutes put in by lighting the match that started the brawl in Calgary a couple years ago, then went and cried about it to the league...

But, this argument really tells me that Bertuzzi has been unable to adapt to a changing situation. The fact that his powerplay numbers continue to remain pathetic suggests that he can't be an effective "force" without running that illegal interference. Bertuzzi needs to break the rules to succeed, and in a time when the NHL wants to cut down on breaking the rules, he's so far been unable to change his play to suit the "new NHL". The Canucks poweplay suffers greatly for it.

 

[Danny__K]

I did not say "politically correct" At least try to argue against what I'm actually saying.

You tell me. What has Bertuzzi done to deserve to be on this team?

He had one great season three years ago.

No international experience.

Was a major reason why the Canucks choked away a 3-1 lead to Minnesota.

I'm not even sure he has won at any level.

Has major league maturity issues, and is prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times.

Political reasons is the only plausable explanation for his inclusion. He's there because Gretzky wants to make a point about "moving on" and "forgiveness."

This team would have been much better off with Staal.

He's had 2 good seasons out of 11, canucks fans already posted that

At 31 he's way to old for a boarderline selection to be getting his first major taste of international action its that simple. this is most likely the only olympic team Bertuzzi will play on. I doubt he'll play on it at 35 in vancouver.

Bertuzzi has absolutely nothing on his roster but 2 very good seasons and a propensity to do incredibly stupid things.

When you look at the roster as a whole i get reminded of seasame street. one of these things just doesn't belong here,one of these things just isn't the same. and no i'm not talking about draper we all know what his role will be.

Just have to look at the resume of these players to see that Bertuzzis just doesn't stack up

Sakic
Stanley Cup - 2 (1996, 2001)
Conn Smythe - 1996
Hart Memorial Trophy - (2001)
Lady Byng Memorial Trophy - (2001)
Lester B Pearson Trophy - (1995)
1988 - Gold medal for Canada in the World Junior Championships
1991 - Silver medal for Canada in the World Championships
1994 - Gold medal for Canada in the World Championships
1996 - Silver medal for Canada in the World Cup of Hockey
2002 - Gold medal for Canada in the 2002 Winter Olympics
2004 - Gold medal for Canada in the World Cup of Hockey

Iginla
Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy - 2002, 2004
Art Ross Trophy - 2002
Lester B. Pearson Award - 2002
King Clancy Memorial Trophy - 2004
1996 - World Junior Championships (gold medal)
1997 - World Championships (gold medal)
2002 - 2002 Winter Olympics (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)

Thornton
Leading NHL in scoring
1997 - World Junior Championships (gold medal)
2001 - World Championships (bronze medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2005 - World Championships (silver medal)

St. Louis
2004 - Stanley Cup
2004 - Art Ross Memorial Trophy
2004 - Lester B. Pearson Award
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)

Brad Richards
2004 - Stanley Cup
2004 - Conn Smythe Trophy(Playoff MVP)
2004 - Lady Byng Trophy(Most Sportsmanlike)
2000 - Memorial Cup Champion
2000 - World Junior Championships (bronze medal)
2001 - World Championship (bronze medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)

Vincent Lecavalier
2004 - Stanley Cup
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey MVP

Rick Nash
2002 - World Junior Championships (silver medal)
2004 - Maurice 'Rocket' Richard Trophy
2005 - World Championship (silver medal)

Shane Doan
2003 - World Championship (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2005 - World Championship (silver medal)

Simon Gagne
1999 - World Junior Championships (silver medal)
2002 - 2002 Winter Olympics (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)

Kris Draper
3 - stanley cups
2004 - Selke trophy
1990 - World Junior Championships (gold medal)
1991 - World Junior Championships (gold medal)
2003 - World Championships (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2005 - World Championships (silver medal)

Dany Heatley
2000 - World Junior Championships (bronze medal)
2001 - World Junior Championships (bronze medal)
2002 - Calder Memorial Trophy
2003 - World Championships (gold medal)
2004 - World Championships (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2005 - World Championships (silver medal)

Ryan Smyth
1995 - World Junior Championships (gold medal)
2002 - Winter Olympics (gold medal)
2003 - World Championships (gold medal)
2004 - World Championships (gold medal)
2004 - World Cup of Hockey (gold medal)
2005 - World Championships (silver medal)

Todd Bertuzzi
had 2 good seasons 3 years ago

now enlighten me canucks fans. Why when you compare what everyone of the other guys has done, why would bertuzzi belong on this team in his first major interntional event at 31.

 

[parabola]

Agreed, but he still makes the bonehead decisions that can cost Canada - we arent playing the Blue Jackets anymore

Lots of players CAN make bonehead decisions. I've seen Bertuzzi play games where he has made 0 bonehead decisions. So lets hope thats the Bertuzzi that shows up.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Gretzky great passer, could put the puck in the net - thats about it, small, not physical, bad skater, no concept of defense.....

you forgot this smiley

are you seriously arguing that 99 wasnt the greatest hockey player this world has ever seen?

ugh.

 

[canuckers88]

you forgot this smiley

are you seriously arguing that 99 wasnt the greatest hockey player this world has ever seen?

ugh.

The greatest player in hockey is a player who was able to play the game in all ways

Gordie Howe

Gretzly def the greatest offensive mind hockey has every seen - but he was not the full package...