Todd Bertuzzi making the team reaction thread

[MS]

umm lets be honest here, in the second half of the 01-02 season the best player by a mile was Iginla.

After Jan 1, 2002:

Bertuzzi: 61 points in 40 games
Iginla : 49 points in 42 games.

And Bertuzzi actually contributed toward his team winning games.

 

[Flyguy_1ca]

I did not say "politically correct" At least try to argue against what I'm actually saying.

You tell me. What has Bertuzzi done to deserve to be on this team?

He had one great season three years ago.

No international experience.

Was a major reason why the Canucks choked away a 3-1 lead to Minnesota.

I'm not even sure he has won at any level.

Has major league maturity issues, and is prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times.

Political reasons is the only plausable explanation for his inclusion. He's there because Gretzky wants to make a point about "moving on" and "forgiveness."

This team would have been much better off with Staal.

Absolutely...Staal even played wing a lot in junior. So that's a weak excuse too imo

 

[Flyguy_1ca]

Bertuzzi's last 102 games: 28 goals. Weak.

while playing top PP with Naslund... weak

Staal's last 33 games: 24 goals. Taxi squad..lol

while playing top PP with Brind'Amour... amazing

 

[MS]

I did not say "politically correct" At least try to argue against what I'm actually saying.

You tell me. What has Bertuzzi done to deserve to be on this team?

He had one great season three years ago.

No international experience.

Was a major reason why the Canucks choked away a 3-1 lead to Minnesota.

I'm not even sure he has won at any level.

Has major league maturity issues, and is prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times.

Political reasons is the only plausable explanation for his inclusion. He's there because Gretzky wants to make a point about "moving on" and "forgiveness."

This team would have been much better off with Staal.

Good grief.

Again, he had two dominant seasons (same number Iginla has had, incidentally).

He was hurt against Minnesota, and still played well. We lost because of goaltending.

To suggest he's on the team for political reasons is absolutely laughable. If there's ever been someone who wasn't on a team for political reasons, it'd be Bertuzzi. He's on the team because he's one of the 2-3 most dominant players in the game when he's on. And the most dominant power forward in the game. And even while struggling, he's the second-highest scoring player at his position available for selection, and has 9 goals in his last 18 games. Give me a break.

 

[littleD]

Does your bias against Bertuzzi get in the way? HELL YES

Bertuzzi has been dominant for the last two weeks, and that is why he is going.

Should any player be selected based on 10 games? Hells to the nos.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

doesn't "how you play the game" mean anything to you guys?

how do we teach our young right from wrong when we reward bertuzzi's behavior with a prviledged spot on our Olympic team?

its not Team Canada's job to teach our young right from wrong by proxy. its the job of the parents, period, end of story.

 

[Resolute]

After Jan 1, 2002:

Bertuzzi: 61 points in 40 games
Iginla : 49 points in 42 games.

And Bertuzzi actually contributed toward his team winning games.

Care to tell us how many goals each player had? It's easy to score a ton of points when you have Markus Naslund as a linemate instead of Scott Nichol.

 

[RayLeeCharles]

No international experience.

Bert was on the 98 World Hockey Championships in Switzerland. He had 1g2a in the 6 games he played in

 

[Towelie*]

Should any player be selected based on 10 games? Hells to the nos.

He hasn't. The last two weeks have proved that he could return to his dominant form.

 

[Steveorama]

Political reasons is the only plausable explanation for his inclusion. He's there because Gretzky wants to make a point about "moving on" and "forgiveness."

If you think Gretz picks his guys based on "moving on" and "forgiveness", well, you've got a lot to learn about Wayne Gretzky.
He wants to win.
Bertuzzi is a player that will help him win.
And he is certainly a better bet than a second-year player who is off to a hot start versus a pretty soft schedule (ie. Staal).
Staal has 18 more points than Bertuzzi, keeping in mind Bertuzzi's team plays in the toughest division in the league. Bertuzzi has, what, 10 more years experience playing against NHL caliber players.
Staal is 40 lbs. lighter and nowhere near as tough.
In a few years, I'll take Eric.
In February, 2006, I'll take Todd Bertuzzi, thanks.

 

[Towelie*]

Care to tell us how many goals each player had? It's easy to score a ton of points when you have Markus Naslund as a linemate instead of Scott Nichol.

Shut up. Give your head a shake. You Canuck haters are laughable and relentless. When we are talking about Morrison, everyone always concludes "Well, he is carried by both Bertuzzi and Morrison". When we talk about Naslund, you guys say "Naslund gets carried by Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi opens up so much space", and then you guys knock Bertuzzi.

You my friend, no nothing about the Canucks, and it appears, hockey. If you watched the Canucks you would realize that Bertuzzi makes beautiful passes to Naslund. Its not like Bertuzzi gets a bunch of easy assists, they are deserving.

If you want to talk about poor point production, look no further then your own Jarome Iginila.

 

[Resolute]

Good grief.

Again, he had two dominant seasons (same number Iginla has had, incidentally).

He was hurt against Minnesota, and still played well. We lost because of goaltending.

To suggest he's on the team for political reasons is absolutely laughable. If there's ever been someone who wasn't on a team for political reasons, it'd be Bertuzzi. He's on the team because he's one of the 2-3 most dominant players in the game when he's on. And the most dominant power forward in the game. And even while struggling, he's the second-highest scoring player at his position available for selection, and has 9 goals in his last 18 games. Give me a break.

No, he's had one dominant season. 1 1/2 if you want to include the last half of 01-02. Three years ago. Last two seasons, he has been far from dominant.

Iginla has had 2 dominant seasons, and another 1/2 at the tail end of 01-02.

Iginla has also won an Olympic gold, playing a major role in the Gold winning game. He's won the world cup. He's won the Memorial Cup. He's led his team to the Stanley Cup finals.

Where exactly has Bertuzzi led any of his teams?

He scores points because he has Marcus Naslund to carry him. Make him the central figure of an offense, like Iginla is the Flames, and the Canucks would be fighting for a playoff spot rather than fighting for first place.

I also love the "he can be a dominant player... when he cares to try" line.

Does Canada really need a lazy player who obviously does not try his best every night?

Especially when it already has two superior power forwards already?

 

[sunb]

I did not say "politically correct" At least try to argue against what I'm actually saying.

You tell me. What has Bertuzzi done to deserve to be on this team?

He had one great season three years ago.

No international experience.

Was a major reason why the Canucks choked away a 3-1 lead to Minnesota.

I'm not even sure he has won at any level.

Has major league maturity issues, and is prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times.

Political reasons is the only plausable explanation for his inclusion. He's there because Gretzky wants to make a point about "moving on" and "forgiveness."

This team would have been much better off with Staal.

Gretzky put together the best team to win gold.

That team includes a mixture of experience, chemistry and talent.

Bertuzzi is a powerforward and serves an invaluable role that no one else can provide.

Thank you come again.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Hopefully Bertuzzi will surprise a lot of people and play as well as Staal has been playing on his "off" nights.

 

[Resolute]

Shut up. Give your head a shake. You Canuck haters are laughable and relentless. When we are talking about Morrison, everyone always concludes "Well, he is carried by both Bertuzzi and Morrison". When we talk about Naslund, you guys say "Naslund gets carried by Bertuzzi, Bertuzzi opens up so much space", and then you guys knock Bertuzzi.

You my friend, no nothing about the Canucks, and it appears, hockey. If you watched the Canucks you would realize that Bertuzzi makes beautiful passes to Naslund. Its not like Bertuzzi gets a bunch of easy assists, they are deserving.

If you want to talk about poor point production, look no further then your own Jarome Iginila.

You are right. Bertuzzi makes adequate passes... to an NHL calibre scorer.

Jarome Iginla gets third liners to pass to.

The point remains the same, It's easy to rack up assists when you are passing to Naslund.

Tell me. When and where has Bertuzzi ever led any team he's been on to any kind of success?

 

[Resolute]

Gretzky put together the best team to win gold.

That team includes a mixture of experience, chemistry and talent.

Bertuzzi is a powerforward and serves an invaluable role that no one else can provide.

Thank you come again.

Joe Thornton and Jarome Iginla fill the power forward role easily.

 

[MS]

Care to tell us how many goals each player had? It's easy to score a ton of points when you have Markus Naslund as a linemate instead of Scott Nichol.

Both players had 26 goals:

Bertuzzi 40-26-35-61
Iginla 42-26-23-49

And Bertuzzi outscored Naslund by 10 points during that stretch, so Naslund wasn't carrying him. If anything it was the other way around. Bertuzzi was absolutely freakish during that stretch. I've never seen a more dominant performance from a power forward - he was just destroying teams almost every night.

 

[Resolute]

I'm starting to think these anti-Bertuzzi Calgary fans are the same. Maybe they are one person posting with three usernames from three different computers. Why do I think this? Because it is incomprehensible that there are so many fools with crazy ideas in Calgary.

Quoted for irony.

 

[Towelie*]

He scores points because he has Marcus Naslund to carry him.

Never in my life has I seen someone state something so wrong so confidentally and so much. This is just plain wrong. The more you argue this, the more idiotic you appear.

 

[Hasbro]

Never in my life has I seen someone state something so wrong so confidentally and so much. This is just plain wrong. The more you argue this, the more idiotic you appear.

I don't know I've seen that opinion out of a few Canucks fans.

 

[canuckers88]

In 01-02, Bertuzzi was the best hockey player on the planet in the second half of the season. Absolutely destroyed the opposition almost every night. Finished the season 3rd in league scoring, with the highest points-per-game in the league.

In 02-03, he scored 97 points, was 5th in league scoring, and was named to the league's first All-star team.

That's not '1 good season'. That's two dominant seasons. When he's on his game, he's the best power forward on the planet. Including Iginla. Unfortunately his play has been spotty for much of 03-04, and at the start of this year. But he's one of only a couple players out there who can win games by himself. That's why he's on the team. When he's motivated (as he surely will be in Italy) he's almost unstoppable.

hahahaha Im sorry but players who can be considered BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD should play on a full sheet of ice and not half of it. Face it Bertuzzi is a one dimensional player - no wonder gretz likes him...mark my words - bertuzzi will cost canada.

 

[Towelie*]

You are right. Bertuzzi makes adequate passes... to an NHL calibre scorer.

Jarome Iginla gets third liners to pass to.

The point remains the same, It's easy to rack up assists when you are passing to Naslund.

Tell me. When and where has Bertuzzi ever led any team he's been on to any kind of success?

Hahaha. Adequate passes? Wow, I thought I had heard everything. How many times do you need to be told, Bertuzzi does not rack up assists because he plays with Naslund.

You are a joke.

 

[Roy G Biv*]

There is no way anyone can say that Bertuzzi should be on that team over Eric Staal.

NO WAY

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

He scores points because he has Marcus Naslund to carry him.

i would argue its the other way around. Naslund is nothing more than a euro scoring winger, it is Bertuzzi who creates the space in the offensive zone as well as taking the punishment in the crease.

When Bertuzzi isnt scoring, he is doing lots of other things to create scoring chances, especially in front of the net. When Naslund is not scoring, he is doing nothing else for the team.

44 is much more important to the Canucks than 19, so stuff your argument.

 

[Towelie*]

Joe Thornton and Jarome Iginla fill the power forward role easily.

Although Joe Thornton and Jarome Iginila may be better then Bertuzzi, they arn't even in the same pure powerforward class as Bertuzzi. They are different players.