Proposal: TML-PHI- SJS. Update ***

[Hodge]

Just this week he put out multiple quotes saying he's in negotiations to stay and wants to stay. Would be an abrupt change of course for him to ask for a trade. I also think the Sharks are desperate to keep him cause they're desperate to not tank.

More like Joe Will painted a rosy picture of negotiations and Hertl threw cold water on it when questioned by the media. The only reason Hertl would re-sign with the Sharks is if he never wants to win anything.

 

[Gecklund]

We say your proposal isn’t enough so you change the OP to basically we are lucky to get what you offered. f*** off man.

 

[Irie]

Calling Robertson a top prospect is being overly generous. The Sharks aren't going to move Hertl for someone who is just now coming back from a pretty bad injury while not really being someone that has lit it up professionally thus far. Sharks can do better than that.

If you are calling a fractured leg that fully heals in 10 weeks "a pretty bad injury", what did you call Hertl tearing his MCL and ACL?

 

[ponder719]

Not touching the SJ part of this, that’s for Sharks fans to chime in on, but yes from Philly.

 

[cup67]

Just this week he put out multiple quotes saying he's in negotiations to stay and wants to stay. Would be an abrupt change of course for him to ask for a trade. I also think the Sharks are desperate to keep him cause they're desperate to not tank.

So sharks can trade him and resign him in July . He could be asking 9 mil + new contract

 

[cup67]

We say your proposal isn’t enough so you change the OP to basically we are lucky to get what you offered. f*** off man.

No ,offer never changed but if Hertl has a 3 team trade might change things. Go back and read it .

 

[Gecklund]

No ,offer never changed but if Hertl has a 3 team trade might change things. Go back and read it .

Did I say your offer changed? Go back and read it.

 

[Djp]

SJS- Hertl , 50% retained. Has a 3 team trade clause. Czech friends with leafs , just saying
TML- 1st 2022, Robertson, maybe now Robertson is to much

PHI- Braun 50% retained
TML- 2nd 2022, 7th 2022

Mikheyev- trade for a 3rd pick or better
Dermott- trade for a 3rd pick or better
Ritchie - trade , add a 3rd 2022 and a 5th 2023
Sign - Ho- Sang 750 000 before deadline.

Bunting- Matthews- Marner
Hertl- Tavares- Nylander
Kerfoot- Kempf- Kase
Engval- Spezza- Simmonds
Ho-Sang
Rielly- Braun
Muzzin-Brodie
Sandin - Holl
Liljegren

on what planet dies a relivly lower cost player clear waivers and get a 3rd+ in return

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If you are calling a fractured leg that fully heals in 10 weeks "a pretty bad injury", what did you call Hertl tearing his MCL and ACL?

A proven player compared to a prospect. Next.

 

[cup67]

on what planet dies a relivly lower cost player clear waivers and get a 3rd+ in return

Leafs give up a 3rd

 

[cup67]

Leafs give up a 3rd and a 5th /QUOTE]

 

[cup67]

A proven player compared to a prospect. Next.

Hertl has the call where he wants to go . Robertson is a prospect with potential, the same as a pick

 

[Irie]

A proven player compared to a prospect. Next.

You called Hertl tearing his MCL and ACL "a proven player compared to a prospect"?

 

[Gecklund]

You called Hertl tearing his MCL and ACL "a proven player compared to a prospect"?

Considering he has scored at a 65+ (Might be 60 in the first one) point pace in the 4 seasons following the tear yes.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Hertl has the call where he wants to go . Robertson is a prospect with potential, the same as a pick

I'm debating the level of his potential here. I wouldn't classify him as top or one the Sharks need to value much.

You called Hertl tearing his MCL and ACL "a proven player compared to a prospect"?

What is the purpose of comparing injury levels of players in this context. Robertson's injury was a serious one. A quick return doesn't negate that. The inevitable point comes back to the kid being unproven compared to one that is. The injuries are not the same anyway so that changes how much of a problem it tends to be.

 

[cup67]

I'm debating the level of his potential here. I wouldn't classify him as top or one the Sharks need to value much.
He’s ranked top 18 prospects , caufield is # 2.


What is the purpose of comparing injury levels of players in this context. Robertson's injury was a serious one. A quick return doesn't negate that. The inevitable point comes back to the kid being unproven compared to one that is. The injuries are not the same anyway so that changes how much of a problem it tends to be.

 

[Irie]

I'm debating the level of his potential here. I wouldn't classify him as top or one the Sharks need to value much.



What is the purpose of comparing injury levels of players in this context. Robertson's injury was a serious one. A quick return doesn't negate that. The inevitable point comes back to the kid being unproven compared to one that is. The injuries are not the same anyway so that changes how much of a problem it tends to be.

The point was that your argument alludes to Robertson being damaged goods, and you were using a fractured leg that fully healed in 10 weeks as misleading info on his potential.

It is fine if you don't like the return, or doubt his potential as a prospect, (for the record, I am not really high on Robertson either), but you are arguing that he is not a top prospect, when he is Toronto's top prospect.

Maybe you are misunderstanding the term top prospect?

Top prospect usually refers to the top prospect in an organization. It does not refer to top 25 or 50 prospect in the league. That would be worded "top 25" or "top 50" prospect in the league".

 

[Irie]

Considering he has scored at a 65+ (Might be 60 in the first one) point pace in the 4 seasons following the tear yes.

The question had nothing to do with production, perceived prospect trajectory or anything else. It was just a comment on the misleading post that Robertson was damaged goods.

Re-read the exchange, it was just a simple question calling out some misinformation.

 

[Gecklund]

The question had nothing to do with production, perceived prospect trajectory or anything else. It was just a comment on the misleading post that Robertson was damaged goods.

Re-read the exchange, it was just a simple question calling out some misinformation.

Obviously the tear was a serious injury. Your question calling out was stupid. Obviously it was a serious injury and we all said the same at the time. Difference is Hertl has shown it doesn’t affect his game. Robertson hasn’t had the time to yet.

 

[Bizz]

Hertl:

- isn't getting any retention
-will cost multiple firsts, probably add from there

taking away stuff from your already mediocre proposal doesn't your thread there, OP

 

[cup67]

The point was that your argument alludes to Robertson being damaged goods, and you were using a fractured leg that fully healed in 10 weeks as misleading info on his potential.

It is fine if you don't like the return, or doubt his potential as a prospect, (for the record, I am not really high on Robertson either), but you are arguing that he is not a top prospect, when he is Toronto's top prospect.

Maybe you are misunderstanding the term top prospect?

Top prospect usually refers to the top prospect in an organization. It does not refer to top 25 or 50 prospect in the league. That would be worded "top 25" or "top 50" prospect in the league".

Robertson is top 20 nhl prospect

 

[Groo]

Robertson is top 20 nhl prospect

Says you

 

[cup67]

Hertl:

- isn't getting any retention
-will cost multiple firsts, probably add from there

taking away stuff from your already mediocre proposal doesn't your thread there, OP

Hertl has a 3 team trade clause , so I guess he chooses where he wants to go . Buffalo , Seattle or Toronto . Go get the deal done . The sharks can keep him and lose him for nothing

 

[Irie]

Obviously the tear was a serious injury. Your question calling out was stupid. Obviously it was a serious injury and we all said the same at the time. Difference is Hertl has shown it doesn’t affect his game. Robertson hasn’t had the time to yet.

Hertl's injury was not the point of the post. I was not inferring that Hertl's injury was not serious, nor that you did not think it to be so at the time.

My sarcasm was obviously too obtuse for this discussion, so please disregard it entirely and carry on

 

[cup67]

Says you

No not me

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/