Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

[ULF_55]

31 Thoughts: Three key decisions holding up NHL trade deadline dominos - Sportsnet.ca

I was initially surprised that Timothy Liljegren wasn’t included. But, after looking deeper, teams are down on him right now. He’s not yet 20 — way too soon to give up — but several scouts were not surprised the Kings chose OHL Guelph’s Sean Durzi over Liljegren.


Lol

Yes, teams giving up on a junior playing in the AHL?

I'm happy to see him in the NHL next year.

It will not destroy a player who is capable of playing in the NHL if he is tried and not yet ready.

Draisaitl was returned to junior after playing 37 games in the NHL.

If they have it in them a bad stint doesn't drive it out of them.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

How'd he play last night? Didn't get a chance to watch! Pretty slick assist!

Best D last night.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Well Z actually plays like an NHL level defenseman with Muzzin.... it would be 10x better if we could get rid of him, but at least we finally found someone that can babysit and make up for his awfulness.

I'd really like to see Muzzin with either Rielly or Liljegren next season. Something like this would be perfect for me

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-x
Rosen-Liljegren

Or

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Liljegren
Rosen-x

I see this:

Rielly (trade)
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott Hainsey
Rosen Holl

 

[Morgs]

What about Cal Foote?

I'm not a fan, but you can throw him in the group if you'd like.

 

[Morgs]

I see this:

Rielly (trade)
Muzzin Liljegren
Dermott Hainsey
Rosen Holl

Eh, lets see who we trade for/sign. Hainsey back on the top-pair would be a disaster.

Muzzin-Rielly actually were fantastic together, and I believe a healthy Dermott can drive a 2nd pairing - but I don't want to put too much pressure on Derms by having him make up for Tims potential early season struggles. Would love to see us go for a Pysyk-type to play with Dermott on the 2nd pairing and run:

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Pysyk
Rosen-Liljegren

Or your combos work for me too if we get someone that's actually worthy of top-pairing duties (not Hainsey)

 

[Cor]

The nice thing is, the people who hate Liljegren now, will be the ones who hate him in the NHL, so we are at least prepared. Liljegren will face the same things as Nylander. The media will try and trade him away, claim other teams don't like him, question things like his "work ethic" and "compete" and there will be some fans who follow along to that.

 

[Cor]

Eh, lets see who we trade for/sign. Hainsey back on the top-pair would be a disaster.

Muzzin-Rielly actually were fantastic together, and I believe a healthy Dermott can drive a 2nd pairing - but I don't want to put too much pressure on Derms by having him make up for Tims potential early season struggles. Would love to see us go for a Pysyk-type to play with Dermott on the 2nd pairing and run:

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Pysyk
Rosen-Liljegren

Or your combos work for me too if we get someone that's actually worthy of top-pairing duties (not Hainsey)

Muzzin - Rielly can be our solution to the top pairing.

Dermott should be our 2LD next season. I think he's ready for the increased duties, despite his mid-season struggles and late-season injury. We sorta need to see what he can do, but his results have been very positive up to this point, whether he was with Muzzin, Ozhiganov, Gardiner, or Marincin this season. The only partner he had a low xGF% with was Rielly, and that's by 0.2, which in the grand scheme of things, is essentially even.

So I think this summer, it shouldn't be about throwing all these assets for a partner for Rielly, because I think we have that, but should rather be replacing Zaitsev, with a better player to play beside Dermott.

Mark Pysyk, Justin Braun, Colin Miller should be among guys we look at.

Rosen, Liljegren, Borgman and Holl will likely make up our 5-8th d-men.

 

[Morgs]

Muzzin - Rielly can be our solution to the top pairing.

Dermott should be our 2LD next season. I think he's ready for the increased duties, despite his mid-season struggles and late-season injury. We sorta need to see what he can do, but his results have been very positive up to this point, whether he was with Muzzin, Ozhiganov, Gardiner, or Marincin this season. The only partner he had a low xGF% with was Rielly, and that's by 0.2, which in the grand scheme of things, is essentially even.

So I think this summer, it shouldn't be about throwing all these assets for a partner for Rielly, because I think we have that, but should rather be replacing Zaitsev, with a better player to play beside Dermott.

Mark Pysyk, Justin Braun, Colin Miller should be among guys we look at.

Rosen, Liljegren, Borgman and Holl will likely make up our 5-8th d-men.

Colin Miller is 100% my top-target this offseason. He's essentially just as good as Dermott defensively (++) but better offensively, AND shouldn't be ridiculously expensive like a Pesce.

Imo we'd have one of the best dcores in the league next season with:
Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosen-Liljegren

 

[ULF_55]

The nice thing is, the people who hate Liljegren now, will be the ones who hate him in the NHL, so we are at least prepared. Liljegren will face the same things as Nylander. The media will try and trade him away, claim other teams don't like him, question things like his "work ethic" and "compete" and there will be some fans who follow along to that.

I'd be quite fine to see him playing with Rielly.

Giordano can carry rookies why not the Leafs "Norris" calibre defender?

And Dermott isn't going to be ready anyway.

 

[phillipmike]

Colin Miller is 100% my top-target this offseason. He's essentially just as good as Dermott defensively (++) but better offensively, AND shouldn't be ridiculously expensive like a Pesce.

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Imo we'd have one of the best dcores in the league next season with:
Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosen-Liljegren

Agreed, should have been our target a few seasons ago. Would be happy to get him this off-season.

I just doubt we get Zaitsev to go anywhere. Might be;

Rielly-Miller
Muzzin-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
Rosen

But that involves at least Marleau and Brown gone, likely more.

 

[Magic Man]

Liljegren really should polish his offensive game on PP#1 and the first pairing with the Marlies again next season. It may hinder his confidence at the next level offensively without those offensive touches in the AHL.

 

[Magic Man]

Not really interested in Colin Miller unless we send Zaitsev back in the trade.

 

[Cor]

Colin Miller is 100% my top-target this offseason. He's essentially just as good as Dermott defensively (++) but better offensively, AND shouldn't be ridiculously expensive like a Pesce.

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Imo we'd have one of the best dcores in the league next season with:
Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosen-Liljegren

Colin Miller is pretty much my top target, with Pysyk a close 2nd. I would really love either Hammer or Demers out of ARI as well, but I don't think either are available.

Vegas has to move cap space, because they have over 83M committed right now, and still need to sign Nikita Gusev and William Karlsson to new deals among RFA's like Subban and Nosek.

So I wonder if we can get decent value on a Miller deal. Give them a cheap NHL d-man, say a Borgman, and then some sort of draft pick.

Maybe flip Brown somewhere for pick(s) and then flip that pick(s) and Borgs to Vegas?

 

[TheScandal89]

Just from what I've read in the past Colin Miller is not good defensively. Maybe analytics say different, just what I've read from fans.

 

[Morgs]

Colin Miller is pretty much my top target, with Pysyk a close 2nd. I would really love either Hammer or Demers out of ARI as well, but I don't think either are available.

Vegas has to move cap space, because they have over 83M committed right now, and still need to sign Nikita Gusev and William Karlsson to new deals among RFA's like Subban and Nosek.

So I wonder if we can get decent value on a Miller deal. Give them a cheap NHL d-man, say a Borgman, and then some sort of draft pick.

Maybe flip Brown somewhere for pick(s) and then flip that pick(s) and Borgs to Vegas?

I'd love any of those guys. Another guy I'd be looking at (assuming we can't afford one of Kap/AJ have to go) is Rasmus Andersson - fits both teams needs to a tee and could grow with the young core. I'd also be looking at Honka for a "reclamation" (aka super undervalued already a good NHL defenseman) project. Pesce is by far the most ideal fit ainec but I doubt we pay what they ask.

 

[Magic Man]

I think Ristolainen and Larsson are better options than those listed for similar cap. I'd rather start at the top of the pile and work down than settle for secondary options off the hop.

 

[Morgs]

I think Ristolainen and Larsson are better options than those listed for similar cap. I'd rather start at the top of the pile and work down than settle for secondary options off the hop.

Ristolainen is one of the worst defenseman in all of hockey. Larsson's reputation is a lot better than he is - the best way define him is "meh". I don't mind him, but I'd rather go for every defenseman listed before him.

 

[Magic Man]

Ristolainen is one of the worst defenseman in all of hockey. Larsson's reputation is a lot better than he is - the best way define him is "meh". I don't mind him, but I'd rather go for every defenseman listed before him.

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Ristolainen has played over 24 minutes, twice over 26 a night against top competition for 4 years as Buffalos #1 defenseman. He's scored over 40 points each season while being a hit leader in the NHL. He's only 24 and with the right supporting cast should thrive.

Larsson has been Edmonton's #1 RHD for 3 years averaging 21 minutes or more each season. Very solid defensively and very underrated physically.

Outside of Pesce being of similar quality to Larsson, minus the physicality. Miller, Demers, Hjalmarsson, Pysyk and so on aren't comparable talent.

 

[fahad203]

Start him on top 4. Can he be really worse than Zaitsev or Oz?

Bruins, you know the team that's going to finals again? Yeah them. They played Mccovy and Brendan Carlo when they were 18 and 19

There's no value him going back to the A

 

[Morgs]

Ristolainen has played over 24 minutes, twice over 26 a night against top competition for 4 years as Buffalos #1 defenseman. He's scored over 40 points each season while being a hit leader in the NHL. He's only 24 and with the right supporting cast should thrive.

Larsson has been Edmonton's #1 RHD for 3 years averaging 21 minutes or more each season. Very solid defensively and very underrated physically.

Outside of Pesce being of similar quality to Larsson, minus the physicality. Miller, Demers, Hjalmarsson, Pysyk and so on aren't comparable talent.

Eh, that's not really how it works. Even in reduced minutes/easier comp he bleeds shot attempts/chances like very few defenseman do. The points and hits seem nice, but really he's just god awful and someone we want nowhere near the Leafs. Like if you think Zaitsev is bad, Risto is worse.

Klefbom is the #1. Decent defensively, bad offensively. They pretty much even out and you get a guy that basically is a low-event, 0 impact defenseman. I'd consider him more of a good #4.

Hjalmarsson has the highest defensive impact in the league again this season. Demers is strong in transiton, and just good overall. Miller is Dermott but better, and Pysyk is better defensively than both and league average offensively.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Well Z actually plays like an NHL level defenseman with Muzzin.... it would be 10x better if we could get rid of him, but at least we finally found someone that can babysit and make up for his awfulness.

I'd really like to see Muzzin with either Rielly or Liljegren next season. Something like this would be perfect for me

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-x
Rosen-Liljegren

Or

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Liljegren
Rosen-x

If there is a deal to move z I'd be happy regardless of return

 

[ULF_55]

Start him on top 4. Can he be really worse than Zaitsev or Oz?

Bruins, you know the team that's going to finals again? Yeah them. They played Mccovy and Brendan Carlo when they were 18 and 19

There's no value him going back to the A

I agree, but I think that idea terrifies some people.

Maybe it is Schenn, but really Schenn just really was never that good and was never destined to be that good. His feet were always going to be heavy.

It is the supporting staff that makes it okay for rookies to have some struggles, and I think the Leafs supporting staff (which is everyone not just d-partner) is good enough.

It isn't like Liljegren hasn't played big games against men the past 2 seasons.

 

[TML1967]

I like Lijgren, but I dont know if he makes the team next year yet. No reason to rush, i like the idea of doing another Dermott. Give him a few games in the AHL to keep growing and bring him up during the year.

Agree with Colin Miller. He does have some brain farts, similar to Gardiner. Over the course of a year he is a positive player in both ends.

I'd like to go after him and Pysyk and move on from Hainsey.

Reilly Pysyk. - Offensive dynamo and a solid safe guy with good advanced stats.

Muzzin Miller - Muzzin is smart and plays a really good defensive game, Miller is the offensive punch on the pair.

Rosen Dermott - Dermott has played RD his entire career until Babs tried to force him to be a LD. Give him time on his prefer side.


I'm assuming Zaitsev goes to a team like Vancouver for a guy like Spooner, who we try and re hab on the 3W.

 

[LaPlante94]

Ristolainen has played over 24 minutes, twice over 26 a night against top competition for 4 years as Buffalos #1 defenseman. He's scored over 40 points each season while being a hit leader in the NHL. He's only 24 and with the right supporting cast should thrive.

Larsson has been Edmonton's #1 RHD for 3 years averaging 21 minutes or more each season. Very solid defensively and very underrated physically.

Outside of Pesce being of similar quality to Larsson, minus the physicality. Miller, Demers, Hjalmarsson, Pysyk and so on aren't comparable talent.

You wanna talk about his points? Go look at his stats on NHL.com and you'll see over 50% of his points every season and his entire career are on the PP. He's a PP specialist and that's about it pretty much. He's not very good 5on5.

 

[Magic Man]

You wanna talk about his points? Go look at his stats on NHL.com and you'll see over 50% of his points every season and his entire career are on the PP. He's a PP specialist and that's about it pretty much. He's not very good 5on5.

Buffalo is not a very good team. He's not in a position to succeed. A good coach and partner should allow him to grow his game. I think he would be huge in Toronto.