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Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

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biotk said:
You mean when I said that Liljegren struggled in the first half and you, and many others, had a temper tantrum, but later you yourself posted Keefe saying that he struggled in the first half of the season because it now fit your agenda that he had improved a lot?
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Your right he struggled against the matchups early on.
Why are you just focusing on that? Speaking of fitting your natrative.
 
You could make the case Liljegren is on the same level Dermott was in the AHL defensively.
 
stickty111 said:
Your right he struggled against the matchups early on.
Why are you just focusing on that? Speaking of fitting your natrative.
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Because you and many others not only claimed the exact opposite at the time, but had a complete shit fit any time someone would say that he struggled early on. So why should anyone take your claims about Liljegren seriously now?
 
Pretty clear that Liljegren will be in our lineup at some point this season.

Dubas was emphatically clear that if he hadn't had his injury, he probably would have been in our lineup come December, much like we did with Dermott.

I already think that Liljegren has the 3rd pairing RHD spot, and it's his to lose. If Dubas doesn't bring in some of the unsigned UFA RHD like McQuaid or doesn't make a move for someone like Honka (he already passed on bringing in Colin Miller), I think it's pretty clear that Dubas expects Liljegren to claim that spot over the likes of Holl and any of the LHD's like Marincin, Borgmann, Gravel, etc.
 
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biotk said:
Because you and many others not only claimed the exact opposite at the time, but had a complete **** fit any time someone would say that he struggled early on. So why should anyone take your claims about Liljegren seriously now?
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Your right, I was wrong on him at the start. You also would completely lose your cool when someone praised him. You also claimed he stalled when he clearly has taken a huge step. So, why should anyone take your claims about him seriously now?
 
stickty111 said:
You could make the case Liljegren is on the same level Dermott was in the AHL defensively.
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So what? Dermott also had a dominant stretch offensively before being called up. And Dermott has struggled the few times he has been moved out of an ultra-shelted third pairing role.
 
LeafSteel said:
Pretty clear that Liljegren will be in our lineup at some point this season.

Dubas was emphatically clear that if he hadn't had his injury, he probably would have been in our lineup come December, much like we did with Dermott.

I already think that Liljegren has the 3rd pairing RHD spot, and it's his to lose. If Dubas doesn't bring in some of the unsigned UFA RHD like McQuaid or doesn't make a move for someone like Honka (he already passed on bringing in Colin Miller), I think it's pretty clear that Dubas expects Liljegren to claim that spot over the likes of Holl and any of the LHD's like Marincin, Borgmann, Gravel, etc.
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Careful, you may get criticized for saying this fact.
 
biotk said:
Dubas didn't say that at all. I don't continue reading posts after reading this frequently claimed falsehood. Nor do I think that the vague and noncommittal language that Dubas used was any more than a GM trying to lift the spirits of a prospect who had was dealing with a third injury shortened season in a row, with the additional blow of him losing out on his chance to try to correct the injustice committed against Sweden at the WJC the year before. Keefe would later say struggled in the first half with the first pairing role he was given "We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team."
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I mean... he kinda did. Regardless of what you think his intentions were and what you took from that comment, I think there's plenty of hints to suggest he was likely to be called up for at least a few games similar to how Rosen was called up. I think this points to the Leafs not being afraid of "rushing prospects" if they actually show they are capable of playing.

You disagree about his chances in training camp... that's fine. I strongly disagree. The only thing we have to do is wait until he shows what he's capable of in September.

Also:

https://www.tsn.ca/five-marlies-who-could-push-for-nhl-roster-spots-next-season-1.1317825

Keefe: “Liljegren coming back from his injury the way he did and blossoming and being such a responsible and reliable defensive player to go with the offensive attributes he has, that helped us tremendously.”

2018-19 season: If it weren’t for the high ankle sprain Liljegren suffered on Dec. 1, his sophomore AHL season might have looked quite different. Liljegren began the year on the Marlies’ top pairing with Calle Rosen, while also contributing to both special teams. There were rumblings the Leafs were planning to recall him to the NHL around mid-winter. The ankle sprain prevented that from happening, and forced Liljegren out of representing Sweden at the World Junior Championships. He returned to the Marlies on Feb. 15 looking even better defensively than before getting hurt, but Liljegren’s offensive output slowed with only one goal in the final 24 regular-season games. In all, Liljegren notched three goals and 15 assists in 43 appearances, plus five assists in 13 playoff games.
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biotk said:
So what? Dermott also had a dominant stretch offensively before being called up. And Dermott has struggled the few times he has been moved out of an ultra-shelted third pairing role.
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Dermott also got much more powerplay time. Liljegren is ready or at least close to ready. I know you don't like he is doing well, but be objective as I was. I already admitted to being wrong on his play at the beginning.
 
SprDaVE said:


I mean... he kinda did. Regardless of what you think his intentions were and what you took from that comment, I think there's plenty of hints to suggest he was likely to be called up for at least a few games similar to how Rosen was called up. I think this points to the Leafs not being afraid of "rushing prospects" if they actually show they are capable of playing.

You disagree about his chances in training camp... that's fine. I strongly disagree. The only thing we have to do is wait until he shows what he's capable of in September.

Also:

https://www.tsn.ca/five-marlies-who-could-push-for-nhl-roster-spots-next-season-1.1317825

Keefe: “Liljegren coming back from his injury the way he did and blossoming and being such a responsible and reliable defensive player to go with the offensive attributes he has, that helped us tremendously.”
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@biotk
 
stickty111 said:
Your right, I was wrong on him at the start. You also would completely lose your cool when someone praised him. You also claimed he stalled when he clearly has taken a huge step. So, why should anyone take your claims about him seriously now?
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I don't care if anyone takes my claims seriously. I said that Liljegren had stalled when he had stalled. And I have said, and will continue to say, that his lack of offensive production is concerning. Without an improvement there he doesn't become more than 3rd pairing D. I assume that the Leafs want more from him than that, and because of that he will be sent back to the AHL to see if he can develop that there.

And no it doesn't have to do with a lack of PP1 time. Dermott had a dominant tear offensively at ES. Sandin has done well offensively at ES as well.
 
SprDaVE said:


I mean... he kinda did. Regardless of what you think his intentions were and what you took from that comment, I think there's plenty of hints to suggest he was likely to be called up for at least a few games similar to how Rosen was called up. I think this points to the Leafs not being afraid of "rushing prospects" if they actually show they are capable of playing.

You disagree about his chances in training camp... that's fine. I strongly disagree. The only thing we have to do is wait until he shows what he's capable of in September.

Also:

https://www.tsn.ca/five-marlies-who-could-push-for-nhl-roster-spots-next-season-1.1317825

Keefe: “Liljegren coming back from his injury the way he did and blossoming and being such a responsible and reliable defensive player to go with the offensive attributes he has, that helped us tremendously.”
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18 points in 43 games is actually pretty solid for someone who plays on PP2.
 
biotk said:
I don't care if anyone takes my claims seriously. I said that Liljegren had stalled when he had stalled. And I have said, and will continue to say, that his lack of offensive production is concerning. Without an improvement there he doesn't become more than 3rd pairing D. I assume that the Leafs want more from him than that, and because of that he will be sent back to the AHL to see if he can develop that there.

And no it doesn't have to do with a lack of PP1 time. Dermott had a dominant tear offensively at ES. Sandin has done well offensively at ES as well.
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You don't care because you were proven wrong, and can't admit it. Fine, but it's not a good look.
Yes it has to do with the lack of PP1 time. Liljegren's even strength production is fine, and close to Sandin's. He also faces much tougher competition then Sandin.
 
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biotk said:
I mean he absolutely did not say what you said he said.
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You took your own interpretation as it was some sort of confidence booster for Liljegren. Okay... he also didn't say that but that doesn't stop you from making your own conclusion.

At the end of the day, the Leafs saw the likelyhood of a call-up mid-season last season as a possibility, to dissect his wording or his intentions seems irrelevant. If he comes into 2019 camp and does well, it's likely he sticks because we should be icing the best possible roster as much as possible. I don't understand the problem nor the huge objection to this.
 
stickty111 said:
You don't care because you were proven wrong, and can't admit it. Fine, but it's not a good look.
Yes it has to do with the lack of PP1 time. Liljegren's even strength production is fine, and close to Sandin's. He also faces much tougher competition then Sandin.
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Liljegren's ES production was terrible - 9 points in 43 games. Sandin had 16 in 44 games. There was only one regular Marlies D who had worse ES production last year (Loverde) and every D prospect from his draft year who played in the AHL had better production at ES.

I was one of the biggest Liljegren boosters on this board. I get it. But the lies spread to prop him up are beyond delusional.
 
biotk said:
Bobby Orr didn't score that many goals?
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Since it was in quotation marks, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s either mocking someone who previously said that or he’s trolling.
 
biotk said:
Liljegren's ES production was terrible - 9 points in 43 games. Sandin had 16 in 44 games. There was only one regular Marlies D who had worse ES production last year (Loverde) and every D prospect from his draft year who played in the AHL had better production at ES.

I was one of the biggest Liljegren boosters on this board. I get it. But the lies spread to prop him up are beyond delusional.
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Those numbers combined from the 1st half. His numbers are good in the 2nd half and the playoffs.
The lies to make him look like the worst prospect of all time are beyond delusional.
 
As I think it was @TheGoldenJet mentioned, when Lilly came back from injury, he was great defensively but he was still trying to get his skating back to form, it came back about a month after returning.
Since March 6th, Lilly posted 7 points in 16 regular season games(4 ES, 3 PP), plus 5 assists in 13 playoff games(3 ES, 2 PP).
 
Sorry if it's been said, but Liljegren's ELC starts burning this year whether he plays or not doesn't it? Or is he still qualified for the 9 games and down without it effecting him? Sorry if it's been stated. But if he's burning a year of his ELC regardless, I say get him in there on the 3rd pairing. Especially with Dermott out
 
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