Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

[Isaac Nootin]

Those two were relied on a lot. I think Sandin is better at the same age, but Lilly is the better player right now. I'm confident Sandin will clean up his defensive game next season, and can take the next step Lilly did.
IDK why some pin them against each other. They are looking like potential top 4 defenceman.

They were relied upon like crazy, especially when Rosen was down/out.

I remember 1 game in the playoffs the Marlies iced Sandin, Lil, Duszak, Hollowell, Lindgren and I forget who else, but Lindgren being the oldest at 22 years old, and they looked great! It was crazy.

 

[stickty111]

They were relied upon like crazy, especially when Rosen was down/out.

I remember 1 game in the playoffs the Marlies iced Sandin, Lil, Duszak, Hollowell, Lindgren and I forget who else, but Lindgren being the oldest at 22 years old, and they looked great! It was crazy.

Yup, the Marlies is going to be extremely young this season.
If Lilly and Sandin don't make the Leafs, you could be looking at a defence in no particular order
Lilly
Sandin
Hollowell
Lindgren

Duzak and Sapego probably fighting for a spot
Borgman

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

They were relied upon like crazy, especially when Rosen was down/out.

I remember 1 game in the playoffs the Marlies iced Sandin, Lil, Duszak, Hollowell, Lindgren and I forget who else, but Lindgren being the oldest at 22 years old, and they looked great! It was crazy.

The other was Borgman, so he was the oldest but yes insane.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I like this kids game and I am really glad we have added enough D that he has to be actually ready before making the show

 

[LeafChief]

Sandin is obviously the better, more polished prospect.

Not sure why some posters tend to use that against Liljegren. We have both.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Sandin is obviously the better, more polished prospect.

Not sure why some posters tend to use that against Liljegren. We have both.

Sandin has more offensive upside. Liljegren is more advanced defensively.

 

[LeafSteel]

Double post?

 

[LeafSteel]

Sandin is obviously the better, more polished prospect.

Not sure why some posters tend to use that against Liljegren. We have both.

We are allowed to have only one good player at a time.

For further illustration, please see all posts advising that by virtue if Tavares or Marner or Matthews or Nylander are good, automatically Nylander or Matthews or Marner or Tavares suck. We are only allowed one good player, the other's must suck in order to prove said player's greatness.

Sucks to be us..........

 

[The Iceman]

Liljegren has played only 2 - seasons with 19 games @ Rogle and 2 HALF seasons with the Marlies. Still 20 years old. Guy is built like a body builder but give him 1 more full season with the Marlies for his own good.

I think he will be a main stay RHD for many years.

 

[Its not your fault]

I feel like there gromming a defensive pair with Sandin and Liljegren. Would not be surprised if they looked at it this way okay expention draft we will cover Rielly rest will be FAs. Vegas never jumped at the opportunity to sign and draft FAs so take 2 of Barrie Ceci and Muzzin. You have your 5, 6. Sign or trade for a filler 4th dman now you can pick knowing your needed another rhd or not Ceci has career year younger etc. Not saying he will or even have a goodyear or a bad year. Just the option is there. Who knows if Gardiner is around then maybe they re up him. I personally feel like he takes a Try out waits till Horton hits ltir. He doesn't do heavy contact in try outs handshake agreement. Probably ends up a bit rusty. We boo him even though he took one for the team. Pretty sure besides a bonus check that I'm sure he can cover no players being paid right now anyways so he's out nothing doing it. One year deal.

 

[Joey Hoser]

give him 1 more full season with the Marlies for his own good.

Can't we just let him play in camp and decide then, based on how he is? Why do we have to make proclaimations and live by them?

 

[SprDaVE]

Can't we just let him play in camp and decide then, based on how he is? We do we have to make proclaimations and live by them?

"I don't care if you dominated in pre-season and scored 10 goals in 3 games... you're going down FOR YOUR OWN GOOD MISTER!"

 

[biotk]

"I don't care if you dominated in pre-season and scored 10 goals in 3 games... you're going down FOR YOUR OWN GOOD MISTER!"

If Liljegren scores 10 goals in 3 pre-season games this fall after scoring 6 goals in 160 pro games (SHL and AHL) he can stay with the Leafs.

 

[SprDaVE]

If Liljegren scores 10 goals in 3 pre-season games this fall after scoring 6 goals in 160 pro games (SHL and AHL) he can stay with the Leafs.

I think you missed the point... it was sarcasm and exaggerated.

Point is that if he does really well in pre-season and better than any other options we have, I don't see the problem letting make his NHL debut.

I don't understand why some people can't seem to grasp the idea that it's very possible he's in the NHL to start the season.

 

[biotk]

I think you missed the point... it was sarcasm and exaggerated.

Point is that if he does really well in pre-season and better than any other options we have, I don't see the problem letting make his NHL debut.

I don't understand why some people can't seem to grasp the idea that it's very possible he's in the NHL to start the season.

Dermott did very well during the pre-season on 2017 and was sent down (despite the Leafs' D core being far worse than it is today) for another half a season in which he played very well and was brought up after a dominant AHL stretch.

Is it possible that Liljegren starts with the Leafs? Sure. Is it very possible considering Dubas already said weeks ago when asked about Zaitsev's trade request that the team would not be rushing prospects, and with Bob McKenzie saying that Leafs didn't feel that Liljegren or Sandin were ready, or with all of the bottom pairing D the Leafs available to them, or with the fact that Liljegren has never put up decent offensive numbers over a stretch of games? No - it is not very possible. It is extremely unlikely.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Dermott did very well during the pre-season on 2017 and was sent down (despite the Leafs' D core being far worse than it is today) for another half a season in which he played very well and was brought up after a dominant AHL stretch.

Is it possible that Liljegren starts with the Leafs? Sure. Is it very possible considering Dubas already said weeks ago when asked about Zaitsev's trade request that the team would not be rushing prospects, and with Bob McKenzie saying that Leafs didn't feel that Liljegren or Sandin were ready, or with all of the bottom pairing D the Leafs available to them, or with the fact that Liljegren has never put up decent offensive numbers over a stretch of games? No - it is not very possible. It is extremely unlikely.

Agreed, Dubas/Babcock have already decided if he'll play or not. Preseason games don't really seem to matter to our organization in terms of who makes the team, nor should they.

 

[SprDaVE]

Dermott did very well during the pre-season on 2017 and was sent down (despite the Leafs' D core being far worse than it is today) for another half a season in which he played very well and was brought up after a dominant AHL stretch.

Is it possible that Liljegren starts with the Leafs? Sure. Is it very possible considering Dubas already said weeks ago when asked about Zaitsev's trade request that the team would not be rushing prospects, and with Bob McKenzie saying that Leafs didn't feel that Liljegren or Sandin were ready, or with all of the bottom pairing D the Leafs available to them, or with the fact that Liljegren has never put up decent offensive numbers over a stretch of games? No - it is not very possible. It is extremely unlikely.

Dubas also said Liljegren would have played in the NHL last season if it wasn't for his injury. McKenzie also said he could be wrong about Liljegren and Sandin and he's been wrong many times. It's the opinion at that time... a full summer and a full training camp can and will change a lot of current opinions. It's one of the purposes of training camp. Dermott had only played 1 full AHL season when he was sent down whereas Liljegren has played 2 full seasons.

You can judge a prospect based purely on offensive production without much other context but there's plenty of other data and context to suggest that he's grown quite a bit since he joined the Marlies 2 seasons ago.

Rushing prospects means putting players in a position they aren't ready to play in. Liljegren is very likely capable of playing bottom pairing minutes as he makes his debut and develops further. To say it's extremely unlikely is rather bizarre and we've seen all kinds of players, especially with his pedigree, make their NHL debut around this time of their development.

The only thing extremely unlikely is a team not rewarding a player that clearly belongs because there's this misconception they they are rushing him. Who knows how he does in a couple weeks when training camp opens but in my opinion, he's very likely to be among the last cuts and I would not be slightly surprised if he makes the team to start the season.

 

[FlareKnight]

I think he's got a solid chance to make the team. It simply depends on what he does over the summer and in camp when it starts. If he starts the year with the team he's not remotely rushed. You kind of leave the rushed tag behind after 2 years in the AHL. There's a solid chance he and Sandin do start the year with the Marlies. They aren't going to throw them into the lineup if they can't handle that. But they aren't going to another extreme where if they haven't played 3+ years in the AHL then they can't touch NHL ice.

Trying to lock in any result right now is nonsensical. The team just needs to be ready to run with whatever result is presented to them. Play the guys that are ready and give more time to develop for those that need it.

 

[biotk]

Dubas also said Liljegren would have played in the NHL last season if it wasn't for his injury.

Dubas didn't say that at all. I don't continue reading posts after reading this frequently claimed falsehood. Nor do I think that the vague and noncommittal language that Dubas used was any more than a GM trying to lift the spirits of a prospect who had was dealing with a third injury shortened season in a row, with the additional blow of him losing out on his chance to try to correct the injustice committed against Sweden at the WJC the year before. Keefe would later say struggled in the first half with the first pairing role he was given "We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team."

 

[stickty111]

Dermott did very well during the pre-season on 2017 and was sent down (despite the Leafs' D core being far worse than it is today) for another half a season in which he played very well and was brought up after a dominant AHL stretch.

Is it possible that Liljegren starts with the Leafs? Sure. Is it very possible considering Dubas already said weeks ago when asked about Zaitsev's trade request that the team would not be rushing prospects, and with Bob McKenzie saying that Leafs didn't feel that Liljegren or Sandin were ready, or with all of the bottom pairing D the Leafs available to them, or with the fact that Liljegren has never put up decent offensive numbers over a stretch of games? No - it is not very possible. It is extremely unlikely.

Yes it is very possible.
He dominated for the last half of the season, and his production is only down because of the low powerplay time. It is likely he makes the team.

Remember when you said Liljegren was stalled as a prospect, that one is looking pretty bad for you.

 

[stickty111]

If Liljegren scores 10 goals in 3 pre-season games this fall after scoring 6 goals in 160 pro games (SHL and AHL) he can stay with the Leafs.

"Bobby Orr didn't score that many goals. I'm not sure he is the greatest of all time".

 

[stickty111]

Dubas didn't say that at all. I don't continue reading posts after reading this frequently claimed falsehood. Nor do I think that the vague and noncommittal language that Dubas used was any more than a GM trying to lift the spirits of a prospect who had was dealing with a third injury shortened season in a row and who Keefe would later say struggled in the first half with the first pairing role he was given "We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team."

Maple Leafs prospect Timothy Liljegren ruled out for World Juniors - Sportsnet.ca
Proven wrong.
How convenient of you to leave out the rest of the quote. Stop being biased.

 

[stickty111]

Dubas also said Liljegren would have played in the NHL last season if it wasn't for his injury. McKenzie also said he could be wrong about Liljegren and Sandin and he's been wrong many times. It's the opinion at that time... a full summer and a full training camp can and will change a lot of current opinions. It's one of the purposes of training camp. Dermott had only played 1 full AHL season when he was sent down whereas Liljegren has played 2 full seasons.

You can judge a prospect based purely on offensive production without much other context but there's plenty of other data and context to suggest that he's grown quite a bit since he joined the Marlies 2 seasons ago.

Rushing prospects means putting players in a position they aren't ready to play in. Liljegren is very likely capable of playing bottom pairing minutes as he makes his debut and develops further. To say it's extremely unlikely is rather bizarre and we've seen all kinds of players, especially with his pedigree, make their NHL debut around this time of their development.

The only thing extremely unlikely is a team not rewarding a player that clearly belongs because there's this misconception they they are rushing him. Who knows how he does in a couple weeks when training camp opens but in my opinion, he's very likely to be among the last cuts and I would not be slightly surprised if he makes the team to start the season.

Quoted for truth.

 

[biotk]

Yes it is very possible.
He dominated for the last half of the season, and his production is only down because of the low powerplay time. It is likely he makes the team.

Remember when you said Liljegren was stalled as a prospect, that one is looking pretty bad for you.

You mean when I said that Liljegren struggled in the first half and you, and many others, had a temper tantrum, that anyone would dare to say anything that was not glowing about Liljegren, but later you yourself posted Keefe saying that he struggled in the first half of the season because it now fit your agenda that he had improved a lot?

 

[stickty111]

Before someone tries to convince posters of wrong facts.
Here is the entire quote by Keefe.

while he doesn’t have the statistical piece, he has taken such a large step in his ability to defend. His ability to take on big minutes. Play against the other teams best players, and he’s played on our top pair this year through the playoffs in very difficult matchups, and has handled it extremely well.

Has this just come on recently?
“Absolutely, LIljegren didn’t have a great start to the year, and he had his own injury problems. The high ankle sprain really set him back a number of weeks. Through that time, I’m not sure if it was the additional time in the gym, or the time with the skilled coaches, or just the time away from the daily grind in the daily schedule, when he came back from that injury, he had gotten better every time out. I think he’s playing his best hockey for us right now. That really helped us turn the corner. It was like adding a defenceman to our lineup that was really able to take on these minutes. We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team, but he has really stabilized his game, and taken very big steps, and our team has benefited from it.