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Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren

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Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas said Liljegren’s injury is a double blow because he had impressed with the Marlies and was viewed as a potential NHL call-up later in the year.

Maple Leafs prospect Timothy Liljegren ruled out for World Juniors - Sportsnet.ca
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Keefe had some interesting comments at the end of year about Lil. He said prior to the injury he was “probably getting more minutes than his play deserved”, which was quite the contrast to what Dubas said to the press at the time. Keefe went on to praise Lil after he returned, but his comments showed Lil really wasn’t playing anywhere near NHL level, never mind dominating the AHL. I know, I know, Dubas said he was coming up if he didn’t get injured, but his coach gave us some candor that showed it was really just talk, the play didn’t warrant a serious call up.

Lil was great when he came back and set himself up for a shot next year. Let’s see what happens.
 
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watching the marlies playoffs, i'm lening towards saying Mac Hollowell will be the best of the defenders and will make the biggest impact.
he just looked great in any game i saw him in.
 
I have a very low opinion of Ceci so I’m really hoping this guy is NHL ready next season.
 
Up until Dermott is back to get a taste and then back down.

If it lights a fire under his ass he comes back at the end of the season but if not then we should look for him to make the team out of camp 2020

Rielly - Dermott
Sandin - Barrie
Borgman - Liljegren
 
I hope Borgman is ready because we need a big defensive Dman back there. The last 2 stanley cup winners were big and gritty.
 
Like it or not the current trend is big and gritty wins cups. Pitts. had Crosby, Malkin, Kessel,Letang all in their prime. Dubas is trying to guess a future trend that isn't their now and may never be. We need another defensive Dman who is tough to play against and 2 big wingers who can deter any antics against out stars while banging blue murder against the likes of Chara.We try and score too many perfect and pretty goals which is fine in the regular season but come playoff time when the goals get tougher and tougher to get, you need to win with a few ugly ones as well. Dubas needs to trade some skill for what we need and he may even need to lighten the cost of all this flash offense we have.
 
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darrylsittler27 said:
Like it or not the current trend is big and gritty wins cups. Pitts. had Crosby, Malkin, Kessel,Letang all in their prime. Dubas is trying to guess a future trend that isn't their now and may never be. We need another defensive Dman who is tough to play against and 2 big wingers who can deter any antics against out stars while banging blue murder against the likes of Chara.We try and score too many perfect and pretty goals which is fine in the regular season but come playoff time when the goals get tougher and tougher to get, you need to win with a few ugly ones as well. Dubas needs to trade some skill for what we need and he may even need to lighten the cost of all this flash offense we have.[/QUOT

We played 7 games with Boston last year and physicality didn't determine that series. I did change game 2 .... our most gritty guy paid the price.

We have 2 fairly physical D in Muzzin and Ceci that will be on the ice the majority of the time that give us a little bite. Harpur is there as an option. I think thats about what we re gonna have until the trade deadline.
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DarkKnight said:
Keefe had some interesting comments at the end of year about Lil. He said prior to the injury he was “probably getting more minutes than his play deserved”, which was quite the contrast to what Dubas said to the press at the time. Keefe went on to praise Lil after he returned, but his comments showed Lil really wasn’t playing anywhere near NHL level, never mind dominating the AHL. I know, I know, Dubas said he was coming up if he didn’t get injured, but his coach gave us some candor that showed it was really just talk, the play didn’t warrant a serious call up.

Lil was great when he came back and set himself up for a shot next year. Let’s see what happens.
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I would take what Keefe said over Dubas only because as GM; Kyle is compelled to up-sell all of our prospects/players in case of future trades and not only that, the Leafs defense has been a sore-spot for the past couple of seasons. So him saying Liljegren is NHL ready when he's clearly not would just bolster Leaf Nation's expectations of him. Sheldon has no ulterior motives and sees Timothy on a much more frequent basis.
 
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darrylsittler27 said:
Like it or not the current trend is big and gritty wins cups. Pitts. had Crosby, Malkin, Kessel,Letang all in their prime. Dubas is trying to guess a future trend that isn't their now and may never be. We need another defensive Dman who is tough to play against and 2 big wingers who can deter any antics against out stars while banging blue murder against the likes of Chara.We try and score too many perfect and pretty goals which is fine in the regular season but come playoff time when the goals get tougher and tougher to get, you need to win with a few ugly ones as well. Dubas needs to trade some skill for what we need and he may even need to lighten the cost of all this flash offense we have.
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Like it or not the current trend is skill and speed wins cups. Pitts. had Crosby, Malkin, Kessel,Letang all in their prime. Dubas is trying to use a current trend that is their now and may always be. We need another dDman who is can move the puck and 2 wingers who can go up against the skill of other teams. We try and score a lot of goals perfect and pretty goals which is fine come playoff time as you need to have more talent. Dubas needs to add some more skill and he may need to sacrifice slow big players to help the team.
 
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darrylsittler27 said:
Like it or not the current trend is big and gritty wins cups.
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What????

The vast majority of cup winners in the last 8-10 years have been completely skill based.
Chicago? All skill.
Pittsburgh? 100% skill
Washington and Boston? Extremely skilled, a little bit of grit.
St. louis is probably the grittiest team of the bunch, and have just been screaming hot since January.
For the most part though, skill wins most of the time.
 
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What????

The vast majority of cup winners in the last 8-10 years have been completely skill based.
Chicago? All skill.
Pittsburgh? 100% skill
Washington and Boston? Extremely skilled, a little bit of grit.
St. louis is probably the grittiest team of the bunch, and have just been screaming hot since January.
For the most part though, skill wins most of the time.
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It doesn't fit the narrative.
 
Do they keep TOI stats in the AHL? The minutes the coaches give the defensemen says a lot. I'm curious who would be considered the Marlies' #1-6 defenseman as of playoff time.
 
seventieslord said:
Do they keep TOI stats in the AHL? The minutes the coaches give the defensemen says a lot. I'm curious who would be considered the Marlies' #1-6 defenseman as of playoff time.
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Teams do. League doesn't.

Sandin and Liljegren were the top 2 for sure with Liljegren playing the tougher minutes. After that Rosen (when healthy), Borgman, Loverde would have been the next two and then some mix of Hollowell/Duszak/Lindgren
 
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Do they keep TOI stats in the AHL? The minutes the coaches give the defensemen says a lot. I'm curious who would be considered the Marlies' #1-6 defenseman as of playoff time.
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Teams do. League doesn't.

Sandin and Liljegren were the top 2 for sure with Liljegren playing the tougher minutes. After that Rosen (when healthy), Borgman, Loverde would have been the next two and then some mix of Hollowell/Duszak/Lindgren
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Sandin's overall icetime was higher, but thats because he is on the #1 PP. Also unlike Babcock, Keefe leaves them on for almost the entire 2 minutes.
As the poster said, Liljegren is 2nd but his minutes are against tougher matchups, and his even strength time is probably slighly higher.
 
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LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Teams do. League doesn't.

Sandin and Liljegren were the top 2 for sure with Liljegren playing the tougher minutes. After that Rosen (when healthy), Borgman, Loverde would have been the next two and then some mix of Hollowell/Duszak/Lindgren
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stickty111 said:
Sandin's overall icetime was higher, but thats because he is on the #1 PP. Also unlike Babcock, Keefe leaves them on for almost the entire 2 minutes.
As the poster said, Liljegren is 2nd but his minutes are against tougher matchups, and his even strength time is probably slighly higher.
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Thanks guys. Exactly what I wanted to know and couldn't have known without watching (which I don't).
 
No need to rush Llijegren, Sandin or Hollowell. Let them develop another year with the Marlies. Next season is when we will need them to step up.

We have 3 solid LHD in our lineup when Dermott returns (Reilly and Muzzin).

We have 2 solid RHD in our lineup with our acquisitions (Barrie and Ceci). I know some are down on Ceci, but I really believe his play was the object of the skill around him. He with Reilly has the opportunity to be something special I really believe it.

The only slot we have on our D that needs to be filled is the RHD slot on bottom pair. This should be someone that is defensive, big and can kill penalties. There is time to see what we have signed or in org already to fill that spot. We also have a slew of vets available that can be brought in on the cheap on a 1yr prove it deal or PTO.

All this gets sorted out once Marner signs. But rushing any of the previously mentioned players would be a huge mistake. Let them continue to develop.
 
I remember Marlies beat reporters on Twitter in the Charlotte series, had Sandin playing as much as 26 minutes a night. He responded later in a series of Tweets that Lil was 3-4 minutes less than that. Again as mentioned, Sandin was getting PP1 time.

However, that's still insane that an 18/19 year old is playing that much in the 3rd round of the Calder Cup playoffs.

The Leafs D core is in great hands with these 2 coming up in the next few seasons.
 
Isaac Nootin said:
I remember Marlies beat reporters on Twitter in the Charlotte series, had Sandin playing as much as 26 minutes a night. He responded later in a series of Tweets that Lil was 3-4 minutes less than that. Again as mentioned, Sandin was getting PP1 time.

However, that's still insane that an 18/19 year old is playing that much in the 3rd round of the Calder Cup playoffs.

The Leafs D core is in great hands with these 2 coming up in the next few seasons.
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Those two were relied on a lot. I think Sandin is better at the same age, but Lilly is the better player right now. I'm confident Sandin will clean up his defensive game next season, and can take the next step Lilly did.
IDK why some pin them against each other. They are looking like potential top 4 defenceman.
 
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