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therealkoho said:
Not to sure 8 yrs would be the play with Liljegren. I think a 5 year term would be the max I'd gamble on him with a LTC 12 team. I think if there were some indications of him being a dominant type of Dman than yeah 8 yrs for sure.

I like him and can see him being a really excellent #5 or a very reliable #4, I don't think they're ever going to get any kind of offence out of him unfortunately. I can see him turning into a complete stay at home type who has a great first pass.
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To me he looks like at least a solid 2nd pairing guy and has played pretty well this season. As for his offense its not like Keefe has ever given Liljegren much of an offensive role the past few years when Sandin was still here and was given PP time over him. This season and in particular the past few games is when I've seen Liljegren be more active offensively and shoot more and Keefe has also starting to give him some PP time more consistently.

Who knows maybe if Keefe had prioritized Liljegren over Sandin in PP time and allowed him to be more offensive a couple of years ago he'd be abit better by now.
 
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GQS said:
To me he looks like at least a solid 2nd pairing guy and has played pretty well this season. As for his offense its not like Keefe has ever given Liljegren much of an offensive role the past few years when Sandin was still here and was given PP time over him. This season and in particular the past few games is when I've seen Liljegren be more active offensively and shoot more and Keefe has also starting to give him some PP time more consistently.

Who knows maybe if Keefe had prioritized Liljegren over Sandin in PP time and allowed him to be more offensive a couple of years ago he'd be abit better by now.
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Some ppl need their eyes checced
 
GQS said:
To me he looks like at least a solid 2nd pairing guy and has played pretty well this season. As for his offense its not like Keefe has ever given Liljegren much of an offensive role the past few years when Sandin was still here and was given PP time over him. This season and in particular the past few games is when I've seen Liljegren be more active offensively and shoot more and Keefe has also starting to give him some PP time more consistently.

Who knows maybe if Keefe had prioritized Liljegren over Sandin in PP time and allowed him to be more offensive a couple of years ago he'd be abit better by now.
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When he came over he was advertised as a complete 2 way player with well developed offensive skills. We haven't seen any long stretches of offense from Tim, this I think has been due to injuries getting in the way of his development, although there was the 30 points in 40 games for the Marlies, it was a stupendous display of offense, absolutely brilliant. I can see him as a 40 point Dman with PP 2 time

I'm hoping that side of him develops for sure, we can never have enough offense on the back end. Liljegren still has a ways to go in his development. He's only just played his 162nd NHL game, and for a Dman he's a practical neophyte at the position. He already looks like he's quite capable of staying in the second pair as a full time assignment for now.

if you go through my post history, you'll see I've been a supporter and have belief in his being able to play 1st pair beside Morgan. I expect that to happen once TJ is gone

I remember when he was paired with Dermott on the Marlies, a pair that owed its success to Liljegrens talents. Dermott was quite the cowboy back then and Tim had to be super sharp in being ready to cover a Demott giveaway or missed assigment. The point being that if paired with Morgan he can stay home while Morgan uses his skates to create lots of scoring opportunities. As it stands now I don't fully trust Brodie to make the correct reads nor make correct decisions with the puck, I find this limits Morgan's effectiveness.
 
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It's just about time for the Toronto Maple Leafs to make a call on Timothy Liljegren

The 2023-24 season is pivotal in determining Timothy Liljegren’s future in Toronto. The 24-year-old defenseman, the team’s first-round pick back in 2017, has struggled to make it into the lineup at playoff time. Liljegren was scratched after game two of the playoffs in 2022 as Sheldon Keefe went...
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Great article here. We are at the point where Leafs need to make a call on Liljegren. If he is going to play in limited mins, and be a scratch come playoffs again, just trade him and salvage the value. He was regularly playing 20 mins but last 2 games, his mins have dipped.
 
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stickty111 said:
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It's just about time for the Toronto Maple Leafs to make a call on Timothy Liljegren

The 2023-24 season is pivotal in determining Timothy Liljegren’s future in Toronto. The 24-year-old defenseman, the team’s first-round pick back in 2017, has struggled to make it into the lineup at playoff time. Liljegren was scratched after game two of the playoffs in 2022 as Sheldon Keefe went...
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Great article here. We are at the point where Leafs need to make a call on Liljegren. If he is going to play in limited mins, and be a scratch come playoffs again, just trade him and salvage the value. He was regularly playing 20 mins but last 2 games, his mins have dipped.
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I don't think Keefe is good with bringing young guys along at all.

It's basically just load up minutes on the "big 4" and hope for the best.
 
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Lilly hasn’t looked very good of late, maybe he came back a bit too early from his injury, high ankle sprains can be a bitch to recover from…….
 
ULF_55 said:
Has played less than 200 NHL games.

Benoit has played the same number.

Neither are full cooked, but both can play in the NHL.

Unless they are moved for a cost controlled for multiple years top 3+ defender, why bother?
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Elite talent guys can be good right away, or within a couple of seasons (Makar, Hughes, Dahlin), but normally, D-men don't reach their potential until 5-6 years after their draft year, sometimes even longer.
That doesn't mean you don't play young guys, but if you look at MOST good teams they have a group of solid D-men that are 27-32 years old. Forward peak at an earlier age, but its rare to get a D-man to reach their potential before their mid-to-late 30's.
 
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I think with a better coach and defensive structure Lily can be a good number 4. Right now he looks like a bottom pair inconsistent player.
 
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rumman said:
Lilly hasn’t looked very good of late, maybe he came back a bit too early from his injury, high ankle sprains can be a bitch to recover from…….
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Definitely hindered from the high ankle sprain.

Not worried about him.

IMO this off-season is a great time to re-sign him at a bargain for multiple years.
 
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Apex Predator said:
I think with a better coach and defensive structure Lily can be a good number 4. Right now he looks like a bottom pair inconsistent player.
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He’s already a #4, and his ice time shows that. He’s playing with a washed up 40 year old who we could all see was done last year. He needs a solid defensive defender to play with just like Rielly.
 
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Roo said:
He’s already a #4, and his ice time shows that. He’s playing with a washed up 40 year old who we could all see was done last year. He needs a solid defensive defender to play with just like Rielly.
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Having ice time like a 4th dman and being one is different. Brodie is playing like a bottom pair dman but gets ice time of a top 2. That doesn’t make him a top pair dman.
 
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Apex Predator said:
Having ice time like a 4th dman and being one is different. Brodie is playing like a bottom pair dman but gets ice time of a top 2. That doesn’t make him a top pair dman.
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That’s fair, but everyone can see how they play too. He’s been one of our better D and he’s only 24 yo. Much different than the two guys who are on the back ends of their careers but are still being given major minutes.

Brodie is also being miscast in his role (along with regressing badly). We should all remember that Rielly-Schenn gave up something like just 2 even strength goals all playoffs last year. Rielly needs to be paired with a stay at home D, not another puck mover.
 
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stickty111 said:
This team's track record of developing D Men is terrible
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Their track record of developing anyone is terrible. They started off pretty well with Liljegren by giving him plenty of AHL time, but Keefe has just been a joke with him in the NHL. Any time he starts to gain traction, Keefe publicly insults him or makes him a healthy scratch. It's almost funny how much Keefe has prioritized winning over development and yet can't win anything
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Their track record of developing anyone is terrible. They started off pretty well with Liljegren by giving him plenty of AHL time, but Keefe has just been a joke with him in the NHL. Any time he starts to gain traction, Keefe publicly insults him or makes him a healthy scratch. It's almost funny how much Keefe has prioritized winning over development and yet can't win anything
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Still baffling how Holl was played ahead of him in the playoffs last year. And who caught our PP yesterday while Rielly was in the box? They put Gio with our top PP unit instead of Lille and it was laughable.
 
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stickty111 said:
This team's track record of developing D Men is terrible
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The last defensemen this team developed into true top four guys are Rielly and Gardiner, and both developed well before Keefe was named head coach.

Frankly I don’t think he’s developed one single prospect for this team. The Big Three and Rielly were already on track to become stars by the time he was promoted so who does that leave? The man has been HC since the last half of 2019-20 and not one prospect has cemented himself as a top 6/top 4 player under him. He’s consistently relied on veterans to carry this team, has shown little patience for the growing pains that comes with bringing up prospects, and even if he does like a young player at first he’ll sour on them the second they have a sustained run of poor play.

It’d be one thing if this was a one year thing like this season since his seat is hot and he’s likely fired if the team doesn’t perform so his reliance on veterans out of self-preservation would make sense, but it’s been a consistent theme with him for years, going back to that first Columbus series when he took Robertson out in Game 5 for an ice cold Johnsson.
 
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