For some it is, it feels that way with regard to Liljegren and a few media members here in town. For some reason there’s a crowd who are always waiting to wall squat and deuce on him at any opportunity.
I like Hayes and think he is a great host and personality on Overdrive. I think for the most part his analysis is acceptable on players. But he really hates Liljegren, and I have never really understood why. He constantly rags on his abilities and talks about him as if he isn't a rookie with room for growth.
Today you could tell that Hayes MJ and O we’re getting tired of Noodles bs claiming that Montreal has lots of good players
He says every team has good players, or has good players coming. I guess that attitude helps keeps him employed as a colour commantator.
I didn't listen today. But that drives me nuts about Noodles. Literal last place team and he's like "Actually I think they have some really good pieces."
Not sure I stated it was a loss for LA. This was not a hockey trade, it was a team trending down trading an asset for future and returned the going rate for top for Dman of Muzzins type.
No worries I must have misunderstood your post.
Totally agree here .. i think it is because many pundits wrote him off early and can't understand how he has developed .. but what all these pundits fail to understand is D take a lot longer to develop than forwards .. but is is crystal clear he is our 4th best option on D today .. and we have quite a few issues on our D right now .. Muzzy aging .. Sandin's lack of foot speed .. Dermy's slow slow development .. Holl who was never any good but got propped up by Muzzy past 2 years .. this is not a contender D corp .. we absolutely have to get another top 4 dman to make a playoff push
MJ did a good job of shutting Noodles down. When CJ came on and the Habs topic came on again, I don't think Noodles said anything.
You’re probably right, seeing as how all the other recent 1st rounders prior to him (Nylander, Marner, Matthews) all came in almost immediately and had success. Liljegren has come along relatively slowly but has steadily improved each year, which isn’t enough for the fair weather pundits to take notice because with all the other sports and betting and things they need to be versed on they just don’t make time to watch Marlies games
Part of it is reputation as well.
Since pandemic started I have not been to a Leaf or Marlie game either .. with COVID still out there it makes no sense for people who have a tendency to get it, like I did, to go to large public events .. and some of us guys who used to live at rinks at night have had a hard time not watching hockey live .. there is just so much of game you can't see watching on TV screens .. and I must admit when I first started watching Lily I thought he was a guy who was always on his knees in his own end because he was weak and was getting pushed around ice in his own end BUT I could see he had skill and he has speed to carry puck when room was open .. I have also seen him get stronger on his skates over time .. and he started to get more involved offensively as his confidence improved .. back when LA trade got discussed da Kings scouts (1 of whom I know pretty well) were not high on Lily .. well there is another example where hockey people missed on Lily's potential development .. this is why I always say til a defender has played 400-500 games in pro hockey you really don't know where he is headed exactly .. I was one of guys who thought Sandin was way farther ahead than Lily .. but over time I have come to see Lily improve his power, improve his speed and improve his defensive positioning .. Sandin was always strong but I have not seen him improve his speed one darn bit (his stride is still way way too short) and there were guys who told me he won't ever make it to top pair level because of his stride .. well folks it all comes down to development and no one knows how it is gonna play out
This is a lot of it. People see four years in the AHL not realizing he came over at 18. Those first two seasons NA players are still in the CHL and most NCAA guys are still in school. Out of sight out of mind.
I don’t think MJ was interested in hearing noodles opinion that Josh Anderson’s 5 remaining years at 5.5 is a good value.
Sandin, Dermott and Biega were all far, far worse. Lilly did not play well though, no denying it.
If we evaluate on one game, the whole team should have been traded 5 years ago. He wasn't even the worst from them.
