Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread

[LeafChief]

Honest question - is there any proof that the poster in here claiming to know Borje Salming actually knows Borje Salming. All of my insticts say its bullshit but some of you seem to be giving credibility to it which makes me think maybe I missed something where he proved he actually knows Borje?

 

[kb]

Is that the sound of crow being consumed by certain posters that I am hearing?

 

[Legion34]

Honest question - is there any proof that the poster in here claiming to know Borje Salming actually knows Borje Salming. All of my insticts say its bullshit but some of you seem to be giving credibility to it which makes me think maybe I missed something where he proved he actually knows Borje?

even If someone knows someone who is 80 years old in a different country. How does this affect the leafs?

 

[LeafChief]

even If someone knows someone who is 80 years old in a different country. How does this affect the leafs?

I'll be honest, I have no idea what you're talking about or how that answers my question. Not trying to be rude or anything. Just very confused by your response.

I was asking an honest question because there is a poster a few pages back talking about speaking to Salming about Liljegren and it made me curious.

 

[Legion34]

I'll be honest, I have no idea what you're talking about or how that answers my question. Not trying to be rude or anything.

you posted about a person making. References to knowing broje in terms of somehow knowing about the leafs. My point is. Even if someone does know him…. How does that effect the leafs today? He is like 80 in sweden and retired for decades.

 

[LeafChief]

you posted about a person making. References to knowing broje in terms of somehow knowing about the leafs. My point is. Even if someone does know him…. How does that effect the leafs today? He is like 80 in sweden and retired for decades.

Because the poster was posting about having conversations with Salming about Liljegren. This is a Timothy Liljegren thread.

I was curious if this was just a guy joking around or if he had proven that he actually knows Salming. If he does, I'd be very interested to see what he says.

Does my question offend you?

 

[Legion34]

Because the poster was posting about having conversations with Salming about Liljegren. This is a Timothy Liljegren thread.

I was curious if this was just a guy joking around or if he had proven that he actually knows Salming. If he does, I'd be very interested to see what he says.

Does my question offend you?

no not trying to be offensive. I’m saying the other person is somehow claiming inside knowledge of the leafs making weird references to Shvela and Hyman.

It’s a bizarre line of posting that person has been on whether it is true or not.

even IF it is true. I don’t see the relevance. Or how borje would have any knowledge on how the leafs are seeing Lilly’s future.

no big deal. Not trying to be offensive to you. I just find that posters references odd.

 

[LeafChief]

no not trying to be offensive. I’m saying the other person is somehow claiming inside knowledge of the leafs making weird references to Shvela and Hyman.

It’s a bizarre line of posting that person has been on whether it is true or not.

even IF it is true. I don’t see the relevance. Or how borje would have any knowledge on how the leafs are seeing Lilly’s future.

no big deal. Not trying to be offensive to you. I just find that posters references odd.

Ok I think we're on the same page now.

I found it out too. That's the only reason I asked about it. I haven't been as active on the forum the last few weeks so I wasn't sure if I had missed something where he had proven he knew Salming. That's all. No harm, no foul.

 

[stickty111]

Bourne has always been a Liljegren hater. Had some arguments on twitter with him about it. He just can't fathom that liljegren is very good, and that his lack of ice time so far in his young career is as much to do with the Leafs' very good defensive depth (and more importantly their health), than what they think of Lilly himself.

And more ace prospecting from Bourne here:

Not to start theories, but sad if true

 

[Paradoc]

Not to start theories, but sad if true

Always best to ignore these people and surround yourself with those with actual great insight into hockey and players alike.

 

[Kiwi]

agreed. But I’m just saying. Sometimes RFA’s don’t sign their qualifying offers. I can’t imagine Sandin will, but maybe Liljegren does.

I can't see either of those guys making over 1.5-2M on a bridge

In fact I doubt Liljegren is going to get much over 1M on his next deal

I don't think we are to bad until Matthews and Nylander come back up again, then all bets are off

 

[francis246]

I can't see either of those guys making over 1.5-2M on a bridge

In fact I doubt Liljegren is going to get much over 1M on his next deal

I don't think we are to bad until Matthews and Nylander come back up again, then all bets are off

i think we’ll be okay then because JT’s deal is up and I think he’ll take less on a longer term deal to retire a leaf. But you’re right, maybe I am being a little pessimistic when it comes to Liljegren, I just had higher expectations for him. I was really excited when we drafted him, but he just hasn’t broken through. Some of that may be on the team, some of that may be on him. But we’ll have to see what happens moving forward. Really surprised he’s back in tomorrow. Frustrating we protected Holl if this is how they feel.

 

[Kiwi]

i think we’ll be okay then because JT’s deal is up and I think he’ll take less on a longer term deal to retire a leaf. But you’re right, maybe I am being a little pessimistic when it comes to Liljegren, I just had higher expectations for him. I was really excited when we drafted him, but he just hasn’t broken through. Some of that may be on the team, some of that may be on him. But we’ll have to see what happens moving forward. Really surprised he’s back in tomorrow. Frustrating we protected Holl if this is how they feel.

I think he tops out as a 2nd pair that can take some of the tougher defensive matchups and eat 20-22 minutes a night and top pair PK

So I'm less high on him as some offensively but i think he will still be a valuable piece for us going forward

Liljegren and Dermott are important, they pair well with puck moving point scorers and should be less expensive to hang onto

Ideally they both become top 4 fixtures which is why I'd keep Dermott with Rielly come hell or high water

 

[Gabriel426]

Would it be get if he is our own Adam Fox.

 

[zeke]

Would it be get if he is our own Adam Fox.

Skillset-wise, Sandin would be our hope for a Fox replica. Ras is the same age as Fox was in his 42pt rookie season.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[Gabriel426]

Skillset-wise, Sandin would be our hope for a Fox replica. Ras is the same age as Fox was in his 42pt rookie season.

But skating and size will be the issues for Sandin to reach Fox’s level.

 

[zeke]

But skating and size will be the issues for Sandin to reach Fox’s level.

Similar size and skating tbh.

 

[Gabriel426]

Similar size and skating tbh.

I never really heard Fox is not a good skater or not have enough speed.
Size wise, Fox looks bigger than Sandin and I never really seen Fox being overpowered by opposition like Sandin.

 

[Stephen]

Skillset-wise, Sandin would be our hope for a Fox replica. Ras is the same age as Fox was in his 42pt rookie season.

It seems really unreasonable to expect Rasmus Sandin to be a Fox replica. They are superficially similar but Sandin would have clear a few development hurdles and milestones before you can really start the Norris caliber whispers.

Liljegren seems to get so much Toronto media hate, it's just unreasonable. He's been a very serviceable guy on the blueline and Bourne, Bunkis, Hayes should probably spend a little more time watching that hating.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Both Fox and Sandin are listed at 5'11" and roughly 180, so the size argument holds no merit. Fox isn't a blazer, but his lateral movement and edges are fantastic.

This isn't to say I expect Sandin to follow a similar trajectory, I don't. Simply stating fact.

 

[hockeynorth]

Fox is superb defensively

 

[hamzarocks]

Sandin isn't comparable at all with Adam Fox, and neither is Lilijgren

Fox is at a level, no defenseman on the team is at and no defensive prospect/breaking-in player is projected to be.

He is great defensively despite his size, has a skating package around Rielly's (elite), and has incredible offensive passing, and instincts in the offensive zone.

Lilijgren's best-case scenario is a bit smaller Trouba from the Rangers (2/3D). Sandin is a bit tougher as his skating and size impact him quite a bit. His offensive instincts are good but he isn't capable enough to operate a PP at the NHL level yet. Lilijgren at his peak should be a more valuable player than Sandin at his peak (assuming they both reach that level)

 

[Cor]

I can't see either of those guys making over 1.5-2M on a bridge

In fact I doubt Liljegren is going to get much over 1M on his next deal

I don't think we are to bad until Matthews and Nylander come back up again, then all bets are off

Both Liljegren and Sandin should be similar to what Dermott got on his second deal

 

[LeafChief]

Sandin isn't comparable at all with Adam Fox, and neither is Lilijgren

Fox is at a level, no defenseman on the team is at and no defensive prospect/breaking-in player is projected to be.

He is great defensively despite his size, has a skating package around Rielly's (elite), and has incredible offensive passing, and instincts in the offensive zone.

Lilijgren's best-case scenario is a bit smaller Trouba from the Rangers (2/3D). Sandin is a bit tougher as his skating and size impact him quite a bit. His offensive instincts are good but he isn't capable enough to operate a PP at the NHL level yet. Lilijgren at his peak should be a more valuable player than Sandin at his peak (assuming they both reach that level)

I'm a big fan of Liljegren. If he becomes a Trouba I'd be thrilled.