Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread

[FiveHoleo]

Does it really matter though? People in the NHL circle make terrible evaluations and decisions about players on a daily basis. Liljegren has been a top 5 AHL player for 2 years and has provided extremely good defensive results in the NHL with the exception of his first call-up.

If he was capable of providing extremely good anything he would already have a steady NHL job. Swing and a miss. There's a reason he gets spot duty against the least threatening teams when they play their least threatening lines and is glued to the press box when it matters. He is the Michael Hutchinson of our defence but we spent a first round pick on him so nobody wants to admit it yet. It must be Keefe's fault he isn't Lidstrom yet of course!

 

[Stephen]

If he was capable of providing extremely good anything he would already have a steady NHL job. Swing and a miss. There's a reason he gets spot duty against the least threatening teams when they play their least threatening lines and is glued to the press box when it matters. He is the Michael Hutchinson of our defence but we spent a first round pick on him so nobody wants to admit it yet. It must be Keefe's fault he isn't Lidstrom yet of course!

Such an ironic statement considering he's trying to take the job from a guy who didn't become an NHL regular until he was 27-28...

 

[Buds17]

He deserves a long look, the kid looked like he can develop into something big.

But knowing this organizing(Keefe) Holl will be back in next game.

Liljegren could also replace Dermott at times too (if not necessarily for the next game).

 

[Nylanderthal]

If he was capable of providing extremely good anything he would already have a steady NHL job. Swing and a miss. There's a reason he gets spot duty against the least threatening teams when they play their least threatening lines and is glued to the press box when it matters. He is the Michael Hutchinson of our defence but we spent a first round pick on him so nobody wants to admit it yet. It must be Keefe's fault he isn't Lidstrom yet of course!

How many D men in his draft year taken after him are making an impact on a team with playoff aspirations/ a Defense as deep as ours?

 

[FiveHoleo]

How many D men in his draft year taken after him are making an impact on a team with playoff aspirations/ a Defense as deep as ours?

Those are nice shiny keys you are dangling but they do not distract anyone from the fact that he is not a player that improves the quality of the team at this point when he is in the lineup. The other drafted D men from his draft year are irrelevant to the discussion of his failings as a Leaf.

 

[ER89]

If he was capable of providing extremely good anything he would already have a steady NHL job. Swing and a miss. There's a reason he gets spot duty against the least threatening teams when they play their least threatening lines and is glued to the press box when it matters. He is the Michael Hutchinson of our defence but we spent a first round pick on him so nobody wants to admit it yet. It must be Keefe's fault he isn't Lidstrom yet of course!

This is such a garbage take

 

[Nylanderthal]

Those are nice shiny keys you are dangling but they do not distract anyone from the fact that he is not a player that improves the quality of the team at this point when he is in the lineup. The other drafted D men from his draft year are irrelevant to the discussion of his failings as a Leaf.

I’d just like you to at least have some kind of comparable to hold up as an example as to what exactly makes him such a failure besides “trust me bro”
He’s a 22 year old D man, this is right about when guys start carving out their careers.

 

[Lauro]

Didn't need many games to already improve the quality of our D. As expected. More to come.

 

[34]

This game was the best I have seen him play as a Leaf yet. He was the best D man on the ice tonight. Give the guy some credit. If he can gain some confidence and run with it…that would be huge for the Leafs moving forward.

 

[Kiwi]

It's nice to see a young defenseman being developed properly and getting noticably better game by game

In the minors Liljegren took time getting adjusted to higher levels but once he got comfortable he became a minute eating top pairing difference maker

Im excited to watch his continued development

 

[hotpaws]

he looked good last night and much better than Holl has so hopefully he gets some run and he doesn't get jerked around by being thrown in and out of the lineup

 

[justashadowof]

That's the best game I've seen him play. Not one misadventure the entire game. His partner (Sandin) who is constantly pushing his luck usually has a handful of misadventures every game.

 

[FiveHoleo]

I’d just like you to at least have some kind of comparable to hold up as an example as to what exactly makes him such a failure besides “trust me bro”
He’s a 22 year old D man, this is right about when guys start carving out their careers.

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

The way you are doubling down on you garbage takes are cringe bro.

 

[Metroid]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

Tl;dr lolz

 

[Aashir]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

Like that main board thread… I’m convinced you don’t watch the games. Even if it’s against the worst competition, Morgan Rielly didn’t come in and play top pairing when he was drafted, defencemen take time, be patient. No one expects a top pairing defencemen, but if you don’t see the upside of a top 4, then you clearly aren’t watching

 

[Stigma]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

Dude, the game was on tv, you could have just watched it instead of making up a bunch of gibberish.

Liljegren was very steady last night and showed poise. His vision and passing are strong. I'd really like to see him get a string of games in a row.

He has top 4 potential written all over him.

 

[Stephen]

I’d just like you to at least have some kind of comparable to hold up as an example as to what exactly makes him such a failure besides “trust me bro”
He’s a 22 year old D man, this is right about when guys start carving out their careers.

A pretty good comparison would be Rasmus Andersson who really took off around 22. He was a second round pick from 2015 so he didn’t have all the baggage of being a bust but played his first full game in 2018-19 at the age Liljegren is at now. I think their styles are similar, good passing, decent mobility, two way ability, though Andersson appears to be a lot dirtier. Tim hasn’t established any kind of character out there yet.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

That was his best game at the NHL level for me. Not just a safe presence out there, but a force who heavily tilted the ice for the Leafs. Not only was it his best, but also probably better than any game Holl has had

 

[ULF_55]

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	3	Dallas	Miro Heiskanen	D	213	30	72	102	40	2021-22
1	4	Colorado	Cale Makar	D	109	22	78	100	26	2021-22
1	14	Tampa Bay	Cal Foote	D	35	1	2	3	29	2020-21
1	15	Vegas	Erik Brannstrom	D	63	2	15	17	41	2020-21
1	16	Calgary	Juuso Valimaki	D	80	3	12	15	46	2021-22
1	17	Toronto	Timothy Liljegren	D	16	0	2	2	4	2021-22
1	18	Boston	Urho Vaakanainen	D	16	0	2	2	2	2020-21
1	23	Arizona	Pierre-Olivier Joseph	D	16	1	4	5	6	2020-21
1	29	Chicago	Henri Jokiharju	D	154	7	28	35	54	2021-22
2	32	Colorado	Conor Timmins	D	39	0	7	7	8	2021-22
2	34	Vegas	Nicolas Hague	D	98	8	24	32	69	2021-22
2	38	Detroit	Gustav Lindstrom	D	35	0	6	6	16	2021-22
2	49	San Jose	Mario Ferraro	D	125	3	26	29	56	2021-22
2	57	Chicago	Ian Mitchell	D	42	3	5	8	14	2021-22
3	87	Montreal	Cale Fleury	D	41	1	0	1	6	2019-20
3	92	Nashville	David Farrance	D	2	0	0	0	0	2020-21
4	95	Vancouver	Jack Rathbone	D	16	1	2	3	2	2021-22
4	99	Buffalo	Jacob Bryson	D	45	1	11	12	14	2021-22
4	103	Los Angeles	Michael Anderson	D	68	2	10	12	30	2021-22
5	139	NY Islanders	Sebastian Aho	D	25	2	4	6	8	2020-21
7	196	Philadelphia	Wyatt Kalynuk	D	21	4	5	9	4	2020-21

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Have played this year:

Round	Num.	Drafted By	Player	Pos	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Last Season
1	3	Dallas	Miro Heiskanen	D	213	30	72	102	40	2021-22
1	4	Colorado	Cale Makar	D	109	22	78	100	26	2021-22
1	16	Calgary	Juuso Valimaki	D	80	3	12	15	46	2021-22
1	17	Toronto	Timothy Liljegren	D	16	0	2	2	4	2021-22
1	29	Chicago	Henri Jokiharju	D	154	7	28	35	54	2021-22
2	32	Colorado	Conor Timmins	D	39	0	7	7	8	2021-22
2	34	Vegas	Nicolas Hague	D	98	8	24	32	69	2021-22
2	38	Detroit	Gustav Lindstrom	D	35	0	6	6	16	2021-22
2	49	San Jose	Mario Ferraro	D	125	3	26	29	56	2021-22
2	57	Chicago	Ian Mitchell	D	42	3	5	8	14	2021-22
4	95	Vancouver	Jack Rathbone	D	16	1	2	3	2	2021-22
4	99	Buffalo	Jacob Bryson	D	45	1	11	12	14	2021-22
4	103	Los Angeles	Michael Anderson	D	68	2	10	12	30	2021-22

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Nylanderthal]

I have been clear about it from the beginning. The coach does not trust him to pay him against anybody but the worst players on the worst teams. True story, you can look that up. I'm not asking anybody to trust my opinion, I'm only asking that you look at things objectively. He does not look like a first round pick, probably should never have been a first round pick based on all the teams that ignored his ranking on draft day, and does not look capable at any point of living up to that. If he were a 6th round pick from 2017 he'd already be elsewhere getting his second chance, but here in Leafland we need to Garret Sparks it up and pretend that just a few more seasons and he'll figure it out. Meanwhile the team would like to win a game this year and cant afford this vanity project that Dubas has going in Liljegren. Sandin is wiping the ice with this guy, its obvious when you see the two play which one has a future and which one will be lining up for some KHL bottom feeder. How's his defence partner for a comparable? It isn't even close. No matter how much you hope, no matter how much you defend his inability to crack the roster, it won't change the fact that he isn't good enough now and doesn't look like he ever will be. What use is a timid defenceman who can skate a bit with the puck but has zero ability to retrieve it from the other team? He couldn't defend his way out of a wet paper bag and like I said, he's facing the worst lines from the worst teams whenever he is out there.

That’s a lot of words to say nothing. He’s been given very standard and typical ice time of a guy breaking into the league. I also am still waiting for some kind of example of a blue liner from that draft who’s making an impact.

 

[Northernguy10]

I don't post a lot but after reading the Liljegren takes I thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents. Some people are convinced that a 22 year old is garbage and already done as an NHL player. The truth is we won't know for a while yet. He's done everything asked of him at the AHL level. The question is, will he develop or even given the chance to "properly" develop in a league that is a step or two quicker than the one he basically dominated?... He'll have to be able to do the same things but at a faster pace. Some good players can do this and some can't. The speed of the game is phenomenal now and you have so little time to make decisions then there are often sticks, legs, skates etc often in the way so clean passes aren't always possible.He's admitted he has confidence issues so we'll see if he is given a fair amount of time and patience to see if he can become the player we all want him to be. He has all the tools and is big and strong enough and skates well, moves the puck well so I'm betting on him given a proper chance.... Oh and he has a good shot which I think we'll see a lot more of as time goes by.

 

[stickty111]

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[stickty111]

The way you are doubling down on you garbage takes are cringe bro.

Not worth it. It would be nice if people would stop giving the user attention. It's a troll