Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread

[ACC1224]

Holl is solid defender. Muzzin has looked slow and isn't up to speed yet but dont think Holl is the problem. Especially when you realize hes out there mostly to defend and kill penalties. Just because Liljegren is young and a prospect doesnt make him better. People have shiny new toy complex.

Ok

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

I have seen both guys up close and personal on ice at various Leaf/Marlie camps over da years .. Holl kinda a bit like Gards (without being scared) where he is all over ice and does not play a proper defense .. no one really knows where he will be or what he will do .. but he does have skills .. but he lacks proper defender training and will never be a solid pro defender

Sens games one goal was a puck giveaway, one he completely screened our tender where tender could not see puck at all and other one was him being in completely in wrong position on ice .. Muzzy is very very good but there is only so much you can cover up

Looks like you are just looking to blame him for things that are out of his control like a player kicking the puck in and a bounce off ritchies stick for a perfect one timer.

 

[Wendelstache]

Liljegren looked worse than Holl. He looked lost for much of his first game.

Hello Mrs. Holl.

 

[stickty111]

Shots fired

 

[stickty111]

Hello Mrs. Holl.

I'm not really a Holl detractor. I think he is clearly an NHL d man but in the #5 and #6 range. Muzzin just makes him look like a #3 which just shows how good Muzzin is. However this season Holl barely looks playable and Lilly even with his B- game last time looked way better then Holl.

 

[stickty111]

Jake Muzzin when not paired with Holl
TOI: 18 mins
CF%: 60
SCF%: 59.26
xGF%: 62.60

Muzzin-Holl paired together
TOI: 31
CF%: 38:10
SCF%: 36.36
xGF%: 42.10

I give this pair 3 more games to figure it out.

 

[Apex Predator]

I think Holl is a bottom pair Dman and that’s where he should be. They are a proven pair and there’s no way they break them up after 2 games. They probably won’t break them up after 10. Things need to get really ugly if they are going to break them up anytime soon.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Looks like you are just looking to blame him for things that are out of his control like a player kicking the puck in and a bounce off ritchies stick for a perfect one timer.

Seems like every game he is costing team .. another one last night on goal 1 for rangers .. Muzzy is now taking a beating every game playing with this joker .. we need to trade him ASAP cause everyone around league is now seeing Holl was carried by Muzzy past 2 years .. Muzzy drops off a TINY bit as he ages and it will get progressively worse

 

[FreeBird]

Seems like every game he is costing team .. another one last night on goal 1 for rangers .. Muzzy is now taking a beating every game playing with this joker .. we need to trade him ASAP cause everyone around league is now seeing Holl was carried by Muzzy past 2 years .. Muzzy drops off a TINY bit as he ages and it will get progressively worse

Carlo says if Leafs are counting on LILLY for get about it on Leafs lunch

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Carlo says if Leafs are counting on LILLY for get about it on Leafs lunch

Too bad we couldn't count on Carlo to stay healthy, when he played here.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Carlo says if Leafs are counting on LILLY for get about it on Leafs lunch

Carlo was a skater boy puck moving D .. he never understood D .. i think he came from Miss Sens or Reps if memory serves me right .. never got caught da fundamentals of D

 

[Maplebeasts]

Liljegren looked worse than Holl. He looked lost for much of his first game.

Tell me you didn't watch any games without telling me you didn't watch any games. You are either blind or married to Justin Holl if you think he's been anything but the worst dman who's suited up for us this season.

 

[Maplebeasts]

to you, i don't get why you guys get on people who have a differing opinion than you.

We're allowed to disagree. Especially when the eye test and stats are so clearly against him.

 

[stickty111]

Awful

 

[stickty111]

Carlo says if Leafs are counting on LILLY for get about it on Leafs lunch

Noodles said Drouin is a better player then Marner. How did that work out?

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

Noodles said Drouin is a better player then Marner. How did that work out?

WOW! I'm at a loss for words. Drouin is basically a bust.

 

[Gabriel426]

Noodles said Drouin is a better player then Marner. How did that work out?

Pretty sure he will blame some guy told him that.

 

[mydnyte]

WOW! I'm at a loss for words. Drouin is basically a bust.

many people had Drouin (the next Bure they said) ahead of MacKinnon (who didnt look as great pre-draft), on some lists Mac was 3rd behind Drouin and Jones.

 

[stickty111]

WOW! I'm at a loss for words. Drouin is basically a bust.

Noodles says a lot of things and Free bird thinks Leafs have awful prospects. His narrative is rip on every Toronto sports team.

 

[Apex Predator]

Noodles says a lot of things and Free bird thinks Leafs have awful prospects. His narrative is rip on every Toronto sports team.

Is Free Bird Noodles burner account?

 

[stickty111]

Is Free Bird Noodles burner account?

Could be.
Hates the Leafs. Gets sensitive when someone says Habs are carried by Price.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Tell me you didn't watch any games without telling me you didn't watch any games. You are either blind or married to Justin Holl if you think he's been anything but the worst dman who's suited up for us this season.

Anyone one with a high understanding of the game of hockey says otherwise. Where are all the analysts raving over Iiljegren? where is his coach praising his play?

Why does he never play?

 

[Antropovsky]

Hey Carlo "takes one to know one"

 

[IPS]

Could be.
Hates the Leafs. Gets sensitive when someone says Habs are carried by Price.

And he thinks Brendan Gallagher is better than William Nylander.

 

[stickty111]

Anyone one with a high understanding of the game of hockey says otherwise. Where are all the analysts raving over Iiljegren? where is his coach praising his play?

Why does he never play?

To you 2nd question about the coach

On Timothy Liljegren’s season debut:

I thought he was really good. He gave us some good minutes. He played with Muzz and killed penalties. He had some tough assignments for his first game today. I thought he did a really good job.
A couple of times, they got in behind him, but he also got his stick on some things and broke up some plays at the same time. He played some important minutes for us today. It was a real nice first game for him.

Keefe praised him on his first game​

To your first question about the analyst

That was a solid debut for Timothy Liljegren in 14:52 of ice time. He’s a subtle player and doesn’t do anything flashy, but he just makes solid plays.
There was one play in the second where the Senators were buzzing in the Leafs’ zone and Liljegren got the puck on a d-to-d pass below the goal line but didn’t have anyone open for a breakout pass. It was the second period, so flipping the puck out does little because you can’t go for a line change there. It was a small play, but all Liljegren did was squeeze against the wall with the puck to take contact from a forechecker, push through it, and break the puck out cleanly. It’s a little play, but he’s trying to break out with possession, and if it doesn’t work, he made it a relatively low-risk turnover given the circumstances.
Later in the game, he had one particularly rough shift where he was outmuscled for the puck in the defensive zone and a puck went off of his skate for a 2v1, but that’s part of the learning process for young defensemen. He needs game reps to work through that stuff. To the coaching staff’s credit, they actually gave him more shifts after that one.

An analysis on his debut from Anthony on the Leafs Hot stove.

To your third question. Could be Leafs are a joke in developing d man?
So answered all your questions. This didn't go as well as you thought it would.

So your saying Keefe doesn't have a high understanding of hockey. Thats pretty bad that you are accusing him.