Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion Thread

[Martin Skoula]

With all due respect, don't you think he could be perceived as one of these things?

Bogosian had a good year for TOR, but he was a solid #6 (bottom pairing upside). It's not a knock against him.

Bogo started as a top pair D until injuries, conditioning, and whatever it is that being in Buffalo does to people knocked him down to a bottom pair D. If Liljegren starts off as a top four and injuries turn him into a Bogo 5 years from now, I don't think anyone will complain, but his upside isn't capped at that until those injuries actually happen.

 

[ottomaddox]

Bogo started as a top pair D until injuries, conditioning, and whatever it is that being in Buffalo does to people knocked him down to a bottom pair D. If Liljegren starts off as a top four and injuries turn him into a Bogo 5 years from now, I don't think anyone will complain, but his upside isn't capped at that until those injuries actually happen.

Without painting it so badly, I think that Liljegren can be an NHLer and a bottom pairing player. I don't know about top 4. It's possible. Let's see if he even makes the Leafs before we talk about him being in the top 4.

 

[FiveHoleo]

Maybe all the teams that picked ahead of the Leafs that year were right. Maybe the guys on overdrive and in the media who "hate" him are right. Perhaps the coaches who haven't used him in the NHL yet are right. Maybe he's just not good enough. The narrative in this thread that there are all sorts of nefarious forces holding him back from success is preposterous. Win a job kid, nobody cares if you were a first round pick. Go get the puck back from your opponent and win a job if you want it. Enough of the excuses.

 

[Metroid]

Maybe all the teams that picked ahead of the Leafs that year were right. Maybe the guys on overdrive and in the media who "hate" him are right. Perhaps the coaches who haven't used him in the NHL yet are right. Maybe he's just not good enough. The narrative in this thread that there are all sorts of nefarious forces holding him back from success is preposterous. Win a job kid, nobody cares if you were a first round pick. Go get the puck back from your opponent and win a job if you want it. Enough of the excuses.

He has played very well this preseason...
What are you going on about

 

[stickty111]

He has played very well this preseason...
What are you going on about

Don't give him attention.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Question:

Is Liljegren hybrid?

i dunno man...electric cars have become the way to go these days...unless he's runing old school diesel...safe to say gasoline run.

 

[FiveHoleo]

He has played very well this preseason...
What are you going on about

This guy is challenged to win a job this year. At minimum he needs to be as good for us as Bogosian was last year to do that. That's the bar, and I don't believe he's reached that level yet. You get a job on a stanley cup contending team by earning it, not by default because a guy left in free agency. I want him to be a good player as much as anybody, I would be ecstatic if he could help the Leafs get better. That doesn't mean I'm going to see something that isn't there to keep that dream alive when it's on life support. This is his last chance, and he has to be dependable. I don't know if he can be once the games start to matter a bit, I've only ever seen a clown show from this guy in those situations. Passing and power play skills mean jack squat. You don't win a tight series in the playoffs because your 3rd pair defender has slick passing skills but you will lose one if he isn't dependable in his own end.

 

[Metroid]

This guy is challenged to win a job this year. At minimum he needs to be as good for us as Bogosian was last year to do that. That's the bar, and I don't believe he's reached that level yet. You get a job on a stanley cup contending team by earning it, not by default because a guy left in free agency. I want him to be a good player as much as anybody, I would be ecstatic if he could help the Leafs get better. That doesn't mean I'm going to see something that isn't there to keep that dream alive when it's on life support. This is his last chance, and he has to be dependable. I don't know if he can be once the games start to matter a bit, I've only ever seen a clown show from this guy in those situations. Passing and power play skills mean jack squat. You don't win a tight series in the playoffs because your 3rd pair defender has slick passing skills but you will lose one if he isn't dependable in his own end.

Tl;dr

 

[mydnyte]

This guy is challenged to win a job this year. At minimum he needs to be as good for us as Bogosian was last year to do that. That's the bar, and I don't believe he's reached that level yet. You get a job on a stanley cup contending team by earning it, not by default because a guy left in free agency. I want him to be a good player as much as anybody, I would be ecstatic if he could help the Leafs get better. That doesn't mean I'm going to see something that isn't there to keep that dream alive when it's on life support. This is his last chance, and he has to be dependable. I don't know if he can be once the games start to matter a bit, I've only ever seen a clown show from this guy in those situations. Passing and power play skills mean jack squat. You don't win a tight series in the playoffs because your 3rd pair defender has slick passing skills but you will lose one if he isn't dependable in his own end.

i thought this thread was about Lil, not Sandin.

 

[al secord]

This guy is challenged to win a job this year. At minimum he needs to be as good for us as Bogosian was last year to do that. That's the bar, and I don't believe he's reached that level yet. You get a job on a stanley cup contending team by earning it, not by default because a guy left in free agency. I want him to be a good player as much as anybody, I would be ecstatic if he could help the Leafs get better. That doesn't mean I'm going to see something that isn't there to keep that dream alive when it's on life support. This is his last chance, and he has to be dependable. I don't know if he can be once the games start to matter a bit, I've only ever seen a clown show from this guy in those situations. Passing and power play skills mean jack squat. You don't win a tight series in the playoffs because your 3rd pair defender has slick passing skills but you will lose one if he isn't dependable in his own end.

I do my best posting after a half bottle of Auchentoshan 12 year

 

[Griffin76]

Without painting it so badly, I think that Liljegren can be an NHLer and a bottom pairing player. I don't know about top 4. It's possible. Let's see if he even makes the Leafs before we talk about him being in the top 4.

Brian Hayes. Is that you??

 

[stickty111]

Tl;dr

That post looked like raging for someone who hasn't seen him play.

 

[Metroid]

That post looked like raging for someone who hasn't seen him play.

He's got too much teepee in his bunghole


Little Beavis and butthead humour.

 

[Maplebeasts]

This guy is challenged to win a job this year. At minimum he needs to be as good for us as Bogosian was last year to do that. That's the bar, and I don't believe he's reached that level yet. You get a job on a stanley cup contending team by earning it, not by default because a guy left in free agency. I want him to be a good player as much as anybody, I would be ecstatic if he could help the Leafs get better. That doesn't mean I'm going to see something that isn't there to keep that dream alive when it's on life support. This is his last chance, and he has to be dependable. I don't know if he can be once the games start to matter a bit, I've only ever seen a clown show from this guy in those situations. Passing and power play skills mean jack squat. You don't win a tight series in the playoffs because your 3rd pair defender has slick passing skills but you will lose one if he isn't dependable in his own end.

So you must REALLY hate Sandin then right?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Seriously ... Keefe tried Reilly, Sandin, Muzzin, Duzak, Hollowell, and Menell but he never gave Liljegren a sniff of the PP which I can only chalk up to personal bias or the decision is already made long ago they can't fit in his contract into this year's cap so why bother.

Agreed, longshot prospects like Duszak and Hollowell got preseason PP time, Liljegren got none despite excelling there two seasons in a row. Feels like bias and/or premeditated decisions like you said.

Wouldn’t blame the kid one bit if he asked for a trade soon, the whole situation is starting to smell more than a little fishy.

 

[Nooodles]

How can you talk so much about a 36 year old ECHL-er?

 

[Lauro]

I think they want Liljegren to concentrate on D + PK first. It will be enough to handle for a rookie.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I think the kid looked good in pre season.

Last year no d men got hurt and his bonus structure made it impossible to bring him in.

This year they would have to pick him over Sandin, who they might be grooming to replace Morgan, or they need to carry 7 d.

If there’s no injuries on D he will yo yo. If there are he will get in some games, and they will see what they have.

 

[FiveHoleo]

The number of people trashing Sandin in defence of Liljegren is an indication that this isn't about Lilly's ability as a player, its about a tribal attachment to the idea that Lilly should be a player. I get it, this thread is populated by his supporters and none of them want to have their world view challenged by facts like "Liljegren couldn't beat out Ben Hutton for playing time last year" or "He wasn't good enough to earn a job" Instead we get weird excuses and explanations for his failures and shortcomings like Keefe has something personal against him or his bonus structure kept him off the team. Come on now, just admit that Liljegren is weak and feeble in his own end and the Leafs don't need that on their third pairing. This guy is going to be a star this year for the Marlies again, because that's what he is: a minor league player. He looks great when there aren't top level NHL forwards around to make him look bad.

 

[Notsince67]

This is how you develop D-men properly. Put a rook with a top vet, and let them learn.

100%.

 

[Community]

I think they want Liljegren to concentrate on D + PK first. It will be enough to handle for a rookie.

Agreed. Same thing that happened with Rielly for a while...

Even though I wish he got a bit of PP time, I guess there's no major point in putting him on the PP if his starting role is predetermined and doesn't include PP time.

 

[Legion34]

Maybe all the teams that picked ahead of the Leafs that year were right. Maybe the guys on overdrive and in the media who "hate" him are right. Perhaps the coaches who haven't used him in the NHL yet are right. Maybe he's just not good enough. The narrative in this thread that there are all sorts of nefarious forces holding him back from success is preposterous. Win a job kid, nobody cares if you were a first round pick. Go get the puck back from your opponent and win a job if you want it. Enough of the excuses.

?????? he has been an incredible d in the AHL at 19-20. Last year was a yo yo in a pandemic for 21

i think people forget that he had an exemption to play in the AHL and should have been in junior. He was a phenomenal player. Better than sandin in the AHL. Better than many top 4 D pound for pound in his progression.

it’s kinda silly.

 

[supermann_98]

The number of people trashing Sandin in defence of Liljegren is an indication that this isn't about Lilly's ability as a player, its about a tribal attachment to the idea that Lilly should be a player. I get it, this thread is populated by his supporters and none of them want to have their world view challenged by facts like "Liljegren couldn't beat out Ben Hutton for playing time last year" or "He wasn't good enough to earn a job" Instead we get weird excuses and explanations for his failures and shortcomings like Keefe has something personal against him or his bonus structure kept him off the team. Come on now, just admit that Liljegren is weak and feeble in his own end and the Leafs don't need that on their third pairing. This guy is going to be a star this year for the Marlies again, because that's what he is: a minor league player. He looks great when there aren't top level NHL forwards around to make him look bad.

Thank you for using that Beavis and Butthead picture, it makes it easy to just ignore your posts and move onto the next one

 

[aingefan]

Some of the posts about Liljegren are just obtuse.
That bonus schedule has kinda slammed him.
100% pairing him with Muzzin for the first two periods of the first 40 games or whatever, then feel it out in the third.
If he or Sandin make the jump reliably, it softens the Reilly situation.

 

[FiveHoleo]

Thank you for using that Beavis and Butthead picture, it makes it easy to just ignore your posts and move onto the next one

Except you didn't do that did you. How about offering something that counters my point about how weak he is in his own end instead of feigning disinterest?