Time to Hire Barry Trotz

[snipes29]

firing keefe doesn’t rid you of the 2 bigger problems of dubas and shanahan.

Totally agree

 

[snipes29]

Florida made the Stanley Cup in their 3rd? (maybe 4th) season.. Vegas went to the cup final. This "oh its an expansion" excuse is just that.. an excuse..

Reality is, Trotz couldnt handle this market. One bad run or a first round exit with an elite team like he did all the time, would get him skewered by the media and then he'd probably just retire.

Skewered , then why does Dumbass , Keefe, and Shanahan not get skewered?

 

[HoweHullOrr]

How do we know Trotz would want a GM job in Toronto?

 

[Ciao]

Last season the Leafs had 54 wins and 28 regulation, overtime and shootout losses.

If they do as well again this year, Leafs' Nation will only have this conversation another 26 times; or until Keefe is fired or Trotz is hired elsewhere, whichever comes first -- unless people want to vent after Leafs' wins as well as losses.

Come to think of it, it seems there were critiques that the Leafs were not just losing, but when they won that their wins weren't good enough.

Oh, for the old days, when we hoped and yearned for that ever-elusive eighth-and-final-playoff-spot! Things were a little simpler, straightforward and easier to understand!

How do we know Trotz would want a GM job in Toronto?

Maybe he's a sucker for abuse?

Stevie Yzerman, nor Sam Polock in his prime; nor Barry Trotz, nor a youtthful Scotty Bowman, could coach or manage this team with incurring the wrath if its' faithful followers. Is it the same everywhere?

 

[MicronMega]

How do we know Trotz would want a GM job in Toronto?

Trotz is Canadian. A Manitoba native. Who wouldn't want to coach in the biggest market in the world? He turned down WPG and is able to sit and wait for his pick of the litter.

 

[Lightsol]

Firing Dubas is the only way to get rid of Keefe.

Aren't we all looking forward to reliving 2008 when the board cleans house and asks 90+ Cliff Fletcher to come in as interim GM again?

 

[Al14]

Barry Trotz is a good coach that Shanahan should have been all over hiring when he came available. Sticking with Keefe, an unproven NHL coach, is fallacy IMHO. Sure, Keefe has gotten our Leafs to the playoffs, however once there, has been out-coached every single time.

Our Leafs have not been up and ready for games at all this early 22-23 season. The two wins they do have were not of the convincing variety either and could have ended up as losses too.

Allowing Dubas to continue to go with Keefe makes me think that Shanahan is not making decisions in favor of competing for a Stanley Cup.

I think it's time to give this core an experienced head coach that has had Stanley Cup success. If Trotz were to fail with this core, then it would be time to make changes to the core.

Dubas has failed to bring our Leafs decent and consistent goal tending. He has also spent too much of our cap on expensive forwards and failed to greatly improve our defense core. Dubas needs to go too! Doing the same things over and over, expecting different results, is doing a great disservice to us as loyal Leaf fans!!!

 

[Ciao]

Trotz is Canadian. A Manitoba native. Who wouldn't want to coach in the biggest market in the world? He turned down WPG and is able to sit and wait for his pick of the litter.

I was born and raised in Manitoba. Winnipeg. Brandon.

A lot of people in Manitoba hate Toronto. Some wouldn't come here if their lives depended on it.

Maybe that's due in part to smug, smarmy Southern Ontarians who think that the GTA is the centre of the universe, and that of course everyone else wants nothing better than to be here.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I gotta be honest I don't get the crusade against Keefe. People just smell blood and want to get ahead of anything so they can claim they were right about the problem is my guess.

Also hiring Trotz, a guy who stiffles any offense with a roster built with 40M in forwards and offensive dmen on the blue line is a terrible idea. No different than giving Babcock a young skill team instead of a vet cycle team. Coaching fit matters

Crusade? Lolz

 

[DarkKnight]

Crusade? Lolz

They’re so dramatic. The jihad is real!

I was born and raised in Manitoba. Winnipeg. Brandon.

A lot of people in Manitoba hate Toronto. Some wouldn't come here if their lives depended on it.

Maybe that's due in part to smug, smarmy Southern Ontarians who think that the GTA is the centre of the universe, and that of course everyone else wants nothing better than to be here.

Sorry to hear that, my condolences.

 

[All Mod Cons]

They’re so dramatic. The jihad is real!

Crusade, Agenda or Narrative have to be in every post without fail.

 

[Pebble live]

This is not a trotz roster .. you can't ask designers to work concrete .. it would be a huge disaster .. not right personnel for trotz

I'm not sure people understand this. Trotz with this soft lineup would be a tough slog for him. Unless the plan is to blow things up a bit and bring in some muscle, it wont work with him.

 

[hotpaws]

I was born and raised in Manitoba. Winnipeg. Brandon.

A lot of people in Manitoba hate Toronto. Some wouldn't come here if their lives depended on it.

Maybe that's due in part to smug, smarmy Southern Ontarians who think that the GTA is the centre of the universe, and that of course everyone else wants nothing better than to be here.

I always find it funny when i get away down south and end up chatting with people around the pool from different parts of Canada that it's only the people from the prairies that i find are bitter towards Ontario and Toronto in particular . Now it's not like we're having an argument or anything like that , it's just that i find they have subtle issues with an area they've never been too .

On the other hand the BC'ers i speak too while they may not love the east don't have any of the animosity like the folks i meet from the prairies do and while nice i find them a hell of a lot more arrogant than GTA'ers .

and the GTA while not the center of the universe is the center of Canada so if that pisses off the 1.4m from Manitoba so be it since it's not like NYC worries what North Dakota thinks of them . lol

 

[Ciao]

I always find it funny when i get away down south and end up chatting with people around the pool from different parts of Canada that it's only the people from the prairies that i find are bitter towards Ontario and Toronto in particular . Now it's not like we're having an argument or anything like that , it's just that i find they have subtle issues with an area they've never been too .

On the other hand the BC'ers i speak too while they may not love the east don't have any of the animosity like the folks i meet from the prairies do and while nice i find them a hell of a lot more arrogant than GTA'ers .

and the GTA while not the center of the universe is the center of Canada so if that pisses off the 1.4m from Manitoba , so be it since it's not like NYC worries what North Dakota thinks of them . lol

I did my last few years of high school in BC, coming from Manitoba.

They wouldn't know where to find Ontario, unless they live in the lower mainland. Fair amount of back-and-forth between Vancouver and Toronto - in a good way - travel, job transfers, college and university and such. In Prince George or Kelowna, "the East" or "Eastern Canada" means anything East of Medicine Hat. Maybe Moose Jaw or Saskatoon at most. They seldom travel East of Calgary unless its to Europe, New York or Newfounfland (great television advertising campaign). They think the same way about Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City and Halifax -- which is to say they don't think anything about those places at all because for the most part they've never been there. Tabula rasa.

It beats me why Toronto is such poison on the prairies. The fathers of my school friends called the federal Liberal party "the mafia", and my junior high classmates felt truly sorry for our buddy whose father got transferred back to dreary Niagara on the Lake after three years living in beautiful frozen, slushy, muddy and mosquito-eaten (depending on your choice of season) suburban Winnipeg.

The exceptions include the truck drivers, train crews, airline workers and unionized employees that see a bit more of the country, usually on business. And some others. Lots more travel between Winnipeg and Toronto, but I don't know that it helps.

That's just my two cents, be it right or wrong as it is.

Incidentally, East-to-West (and vice versa), Ontario is not the centre of Canada: Winnipeg is. That's one of the things that pisses them off, too. Lots of folks think Winnipeg should be the Nation's Capital and enjoy the bilingual civil-service jobs that go with it. Big francophone community in St. Boniface and Southeastern Manitoba too.

By the same token, a lot of people in Toronto think Parry Sound is the far North, and might never have set foot anywhere between Banff and Thunder Bay.

 

[horner]

Pretty sure Keefe has a much better record than Trots up to this point in their careers. But overreact.

Ian pretty sure Keefe has had the better lineup

 

[leafsfan5]

Cassidy would be great on this team!

Cassidy was perfect. A coach with a great defensive system that can still allow its offensive players to shine

We should've jumped on him the second he was available. Not surprising VGK has started off the season hot

 

[ToneDog]

Cassidy was perfect. A coach with a great defensive system that can still allow its offensive players to shine

We should've jumped on him the second he was available. Not surprising VGK has started off the season hot

Keefe is not going anywhere unless Shanny asks Dubas, am I firing one or two ?

 

[Hellcat]

Keefe is not getting the most out of this roster and it might be time to go after a veteran coach like Barry Trotz? Someone who has won the Cup with talented players and someone who can bring some accountability.

LOVE BARRY TROTZ!!!!!!!!! Yes please times one million ... Keffe has got this team as far as he is going to get them.

 

[notbias]

Barry Trotz just took a team from ECF to a non-playoff team, not looking for a step back in coaching.

 

[HolyCrap]

Barry Trotz just took a team from ECF to a non-playoff team, not looking for a step back in coaching.

Lol. You’re on a roll. It’s a bad roll but please don’t stop it’s entertaining for the rest of us.

 

[notbias]

Lol. You’re on a roll. It’s a bad roll but please don’t stop it’s entertaining for the rest of us.

not a fan of facts I see

 

[Menzinger]

People get too fixated on name recognition for coaching rather than fit. The vast majority of fans were excited when Babs was signed - probably the most famous coach in hockey at the time - and ended up like oil and water when working with a most rookie team.

The current core of the team doesn't strike me as one that would work well with Trotz. Especially if the longer term goal would be to re-sign Matthews.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

People get too fixated on name recognition for coaching rather than fit. The vast majority of fans were excited when Babs was signed - probably the most famous coach in hockey at the time - and ended up like oil and water when working with a most rookie team.

The current core of the team doesn't strike me as one that would work well with Trotz. Especially if the longer term goal would be to re-sign Matthews.

I thought that about Matthews too. I will say this though...if we do get Trotz and we do win a couple of rounds...Matty might not care so much about MVP's and Rockets that Keefe helped him with. He may be at a stage where he is realizing his legacy will be of a guy who couldn't win in the playoffs and it might hurt more to him than having less individual trophies. It just might be a thing that keeps him....if...they win with Trotz.

 

[Trapper]

People get too fixated on name recognition for coaching rather than fit. The vast majority of fans were excited when Babs was signed - probably the most famous coach in hockey at the time - and ended up like oil and water when working with a most rookie team.

The current core of the team doesn't strike me as one that would work well with Trotz. Especially if the longer term goal would be to re-sign Matthews.

I don’t think Trotz would work with the GM either. Different philosophies. The team would need a new GM first.
I think this is full speed ahead year with Dubas and Keefe. They either stay on course or go off the rails.

 

[leafsfan5]

I thought that about Matthews too. I will say this though...if we do get Trotz and we do win a couple of rounds...Matty might not care so much about MVP's and Rockets that Keefe helped him with. He may be at a stage where he is realizing his legacy will be of a guy who couldn't win in the playoffs and it might hurt more to him than having less individual trophies. It just might be a thing that keeps him....if...they win with Trotz.

Ovechkin won rockets with Trotz as his coach, I don't see how it would be different for Matthews