Tim Stutzle vs Auston Matthews Contracts Included

[Golden_Jet]

Man, this place...

Ya no idea why the poster would bring those up, best to ask the90

 

[Voight]

But he wasn’t so played at 19 instead of 18.
Heck, Stutzle played in the DEL at 17.

Why is that being held against him ? You can't exactly choose your birthdate...

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why is that being held against him ? You can't exactly choose your birthdate...

It’s just a fact, some start playing at 18 some at 19, luck of the birthdate.

 

[umma gumma]

How many series wins during Stutzle's time in the league?

Only one less than Matthews.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Contracts included: Stutzle
In a vaccum: Matthews

 

[Voight]

Ever heard of a rebuild?

Matthews joined the worst team in the league and immediately took them the playoffs ....

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthews joined the worst team in the league and immediately took them the playoffs ....

Yep after rebuilding for 14 years of not making the playoffs, making it once in a 48 game season. Matthew’s was their 5th pick in the top 7 overall. Sens have a ways to go before matching the 14 years.

 

[bobbyking]

ok wtf this site has lost all credibility

 

[MCR74]

ok wtf this site has lost all credibility

Not like it had much to begin with.

 

[Golden_Jet]

ok wtf this site has lost all credibility

Why, because the majority prefer Stutzle and $5 million in cap room.?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Younger, signed longer and for less, I'm taking Stutzle

 

[WarriorofTime]

It’s just a fact, some start playing at 18 some at 19, luck of the birthdate.

Stutzle is a mid-January birthday, there was only a four month gap in their relative ages in their first season after being drafted.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Stutzle is a mid-January birthday, there was only a four month gap in their relative ages in their first season after being drafted.

Right, so about 1/2 season of games, but one season of development.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I did see that but It doesn't make a difference to me.

Cap hit doesn't make one player better than another, I also don't think 1 year of Stuzle putting up only slightly better offensive totals than Matthews makes him the better player.

Not when Matthews crushed him offensively the previous 2 years,

and continues to crush him defensively considering he's already been top 10 in Selke voting, and now that he's on the PK I expect that to improve.

1 year of slightly better offensive totals isn't enough

You're such a homer. lol

I get picking Matthews, but to suggest you can't fathom why someone would pick Stutzle is such a homer take. Especially when the majority of neutral fans are picking him. Some Leafs fans are just so out to lunch it's quite amusing.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You're such a homer. lol

I get picking Matthews, but to suggest you can't fathom why someone would pick Stutzle is such a homer take. Especially when the majority of neutral fans are picking him. Some Leafs fans are just so out to lunch it's quite amusing.

The majority of neutral fans aren't neutral

 

[Akrapovince]

The majority of neutral fans aren't neutral

If you are on this site you have some form of outside perspective other than stats and analytics/eye test/ideology for pretty much every single player.

I literally have no interest in the Coyotes but me liking Cooley will cloud my judgement in a discussion about Mullet Arena, despite me being a “neutral fan”.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Lol matthews has a hart lindsay and 2 Rockets the other guy?

 

[KevinRedkey]

The majority of neutral fans aren't neutral

Enjoy your tin foil hat.

 

[bobbyking]

Why, because the majority prefer Stutzle and $5 million in cap room.

no because stutzle has almost no chance of ever being as good as peak matthews and im sure matthews hasn't peaked yet

ok wtf this site has lost all credibility

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Oh I don’t compare peckers personally. I always lose. No comparison to be had

Probably the most truthful and factual thing you've said on this site.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I wouldn't take any of those guys and Stutzle over Matthews... there are definitely some players, Tuch comes to mind immediately, but not those ones. There are only a few.

How many elite 1C are there?

Including or excluding Stutzle?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Probably the most truthful and factual thing you've said on this site.

Feeling like y'all have some history.

 

[KevinRedkey]

no because stutzle has almost no chance of ever being as good as peak matthews and im sure matthews hasn't peaked yet

There's also a chance Matthews has already peaked.
Crosby's point peak was at age 19
Mario at age 22
Wayne at 25
Orr at 22
Kucherov at 25
Malkin at 22
Ovechkin at 22
Forsberg at 22
Jagr at 23
Yzerman 23
Matthews is 26 this season.

There's examples either way, but it's not insane to think Matthews may have already peaked in terms of point production. It's certainly not "HF loses all credibility" for disagreeing either way.

And Stutzle doesn't have to reach 24yr old Matthews level to be a better value than Matthews moving forward either way. But thats an entire other can of worms...

 

[KevinRedkey]

With contracts in the equation, maybe Stutzle, but that's the only way it's him afaic. This thread came up some time last year and I had some Sens fans trying to laugh me out of the building for not thinking Stutzle was/would be the better player. Matthews is literally one season removed from a Hart and 2nd Richard trophy in a row. Last year he was 20 points worse than '22 bc of injuries and still had the same ppg as Stutzle. Even if Stutzle continues to improve, it's not even remotely certain that he does anything as good as Matthews did in 2022.

It's not even remotely certain that Matthews himself does anything as good as he (Matthews) did in 2022.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Lol matthews has a hart lindsay and 2 Rockets the other guy?

Don't worry Stutzle has 5 years to fill the trophy case. He's eclipsed Matthews if you account for age.