Tim Stutzle vs Auston Matthews Contracts Included

[Xspyrit]

My little tidbit stat of the day

Since turning 21 y/o on January 15th 2023, only McDavid, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, J. Hughes, Pastrnak, Makar, M.Tkachuk, Pettersson, Panarin and Kucherov have a better PPG than Tim Stutzle... so the 11th best PPG in the entire NHL since becoming a man...

 

[KevinRedkey]

Stats like these aren't really my cup of tea, but I figured I'd share since it seemed relevant.

 

[The90]

This thread is amazing. Because a certain someone not involved in the situation didn't know, that means the people involved also didn't know. Despite the people involved saying they all knew.

Guy continues to bite down that they didn't know, while actually believing everyone else is the idiot, because HE didn't know.

The Literal definition of Dunning-kruger going on here.

No executives in the NHL would trade Matthews for Stutzle straight up given the cap hits.

This fact doesn't mean Stutzle is the better overall player. As stated, by even multiple sens fans. No cap, no matter of contracts you would take Matthews.

Reality is, that's not the world or game we play. Contracts do in fact matter. Which is why Stutzle is the correct answer here.

Sorry, when did the sens find out about Pinto? Oh, no proof, just your own assumption. Right. Different side of the same coin.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Ok but do you think Matthews is worth 1.5 Stutzles?

You keep saying this over and over and over and over again.

.5 of a Stutzle is 3 feet tall and 95 pounds. He DIES in this league.

 

[Sensatauro]

Sorry, when did the sens find out about Pinto? Oh, no proof, just your own assumption. Right. Different side of the same coin.

Yeah, Bettman full of shit. Pinto full of shit. The 90 knows . Thanks for coming out

 

[Akrapovince]

Can someone give me some analytics on who makes their linemates better and the elevation of their linemates when they’re on the ice?

Theoretically since we’re including cap, how about we think about linemates as well.

6m winger - Stützle - 7m winger

Is that better or not than,

4m winger - Matthews - 4.5m winger

Assume the players in the cap range are your average players in that range.

The point is, although Matthews is paid more, can we reasonably say that he elevates his team mates more making his cost per production more than just his own?

McDavid is paid 12.5m but you can create a viable first line for 17.5m so although you can find players that produce a quarter of his points for a quarter of his cost, his value exceeds that.

A player scoring 38 points at a cap hit of 3.1m isn’t equal to McDavid.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Anyways, Matthews has always been the better player, no doubt. Cap space could be anything, good or bad as proven by so many people in this incredibly serious thread.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Anyways, Matthews has always been the better player, no doubt.

Except for last year and the start of this year?

Cap space could be anything, good or bad as proven by so many people in this incredibly serious thread.

Cap space is objectively good.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Except for last year and the start of this year?

That seems to be your opinion, which is fine!

Cap space is objectively good.

Cap space means your team isn't spending to the cap, which is objectively bad for teams trying to win.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That seems to be your opinion, which is fine

Okay, well he's outscored him last year and is doing it again this year. I think there is at least some doubt who's been better since the start of last season.

Cap space means your team isn't spending to the cap, which is objectively bad for teams trying to win.

And having an extra 5M in cap space means you can spend it to upgrade your team.

 

[Stephen]

A few thoughts.

If I had a choice to pay Matthews $8.25 million per year vs the $13 million plus, I would gladly have that savings and do whatever else I could with that, good or inefficient, whatever.

Ottawa has definitely set themselves up well to have more roster flexibility with the Stutzle contract. But cap space doesn’t always translate to the best and highest use of cap space and there are instances of good and bad contracts neutralizing each other on just about every team.

Take for example, Stutzle and Tarasenko. You have a 20 point player in Stutzle and 2 forwards for the price of 1. Stutzle and Tarasenko have 7 goals between them but Matthews has 13, including a number of multiple goal nights that translated to big comeback wins which currently has Toronto ahead of Ottawa.

So in the end, Stutzle is great. More cap space is great. Matthews is also great and that’s about it.

 

[Miro4Norris]

A few thoughts.

If I had a choice to pay Matthews $8.25 million per year vs the $13 million plus, I would gladly have that savings and do whatever else I could with that, good or inefficient, whatever.

Ottawa has definitely set themselves up well to have more roster flexibility with the Stutzle contract. But cap space doesn’t always translate to the best and highest use of cap space and there are instances of good and bad contracts neutralizing each other on just about every team.

Take for example, Stutzle and Tarasenko. You have a 20 point player in Stutzle and 2 forwards for the price of 1. Stutzle and Tarasenko have 7 goals between them but Matthews has 13, including a number of multiple goal nights that translated to big comeback wins which currently has Toronto ahead of Ottawa.

So in the end, Stutzle is great. More cap space is great. Matthews is also great and that’s about it.

Stutzle+Vlad= 33 points Matthews 19 points. Ottawa has played 2 games less

 

[Golden_Jet]

First in 2 categories, second in 2 categories

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Okay, well he's outscored him last year and is doing it again this year. I think there is at least some doubt who's been better since the start of last season.

I have no problem with that, Stutzle is very good.

And having an extra 5M in cap space means you can spend it to upgrade your team.

Potentially, yes.

 

[Smif]

Except for last year and the start of this year?


Cap space is objectively good.

4 goals is better than 13 goals?

You don't take goals into consideration??

 

[The90]

I have no problem with that, Stutzle is very good.


Potentially, yes.

Only if you don’t don’t waste that cap space on shitty depth and prevent yourself from being able to Re sign your young 3c

4 goals is better than 13 goals?

You don't take goals into consideration??

How many zone entries per 60 needs to be taken into account too

 

[Smif]

Only if you don’t don’t waste that cap space on shitty depth and prevent yourself from being able to Re sign your young 3c


How many zone entries per 60 needs to be taken into account too

Stutzle has the zone entries per 60 trophy wrapped up this season for sure.

 

[TS Quint]

Okay, well he's outscored him last year and is doing it again this year. I think there is at least some doubt who's been better since the start of last season.

And having an extra 5M in cap space means you can spend it to upgrade your team.

What he is saying is, if you use that money to spend on Klingberg and Reeves it's just useless having the space if look at it that way cap space can actually make a negative impact on the team.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

What he is saying is, if you use that money to spend on Klingberg and Reeves it's just useless having the space if look at it that way cap space can actually make a negative impact on the team.

Absolutely. You could alternatively spend that money on goalies like Korpisalo and Matt Murray.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Absolutely. You could alternatively spend that money on goalies like Korpisalo and Matt Murray.

Or Tarasenko or Chychurn,

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Or Tarasenko or Chychurn,

Or Formenton and Pinto..... oh wait.

 

[NyQuil]

Or Formenton and Pinto..... oh wait.

Or O’Reilly or Hyman. Oh wait.

 

[Xspyrit]

Cap space means your team isn't spending to the cap, which is objectively bad for teams trying to win.

There's no words... Please tell me you're just trolling...

First in 2 categories, second in 2 categories

Remember the reaction from my post #782 about PPG? Good luck with that table

Cap space is objectively good.

Some people need a bit of time. I mean, we only have been in the cap era since 2005-06. Give it more time

Seriously, when will people understand that we're talking about the inherent value of cap space here?

The fact that it could be well or badly spent doesn't change the intrinsic value of cap space. Useless induction to answer this poll

But wait, I have probably typed too many complicated words already

 

[Smif]

There's no words... Please tell me you're just trolling...



Remember the reaction from my post #782 about PPG? Good luck with that table



Some people need a bit of time. I mean, we only have been in the cap era since 2005-06. Give it more time

Seriously, when will people understand that we're talking about the inherent value of cap space here?

The fact that it could be well or badly spent doesn't change the intrinsic value of cap space. Useless induction to answer this poll

But wait, I have probably typed too many complicated words already

Oh man, this guys is too smart for me. Smartest man in the room right here, complicated words!

 

[Xspyrit]

Oh man, this guys is too smart for me. Smartest man in the room right here, complicated words!

It's obviously related to last page where my 186 words were considered a "novel" lol